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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:49 am

remmy wrote:What I'm saying HAS a proven track record is 1911s, 870s, and 700s as an example. I'm not aware of one slim single stack 9mm that's been around that long....not even CLOSE. You must be the 'expert' you were referring to. I'm no expert but I know a good product when I see one and this is FAR from that.

So you've never heard of a German Luger? Or a 9x18 makarov P64? Sure there are old single stack 9mm handguns that have proven reliable. Do you think the round was invented yesterday or something?

The R51 is a good product, just as many new exotic Hyper cars have issues with their first embodiment, so do firearms. It's in fact good that we're having these issues. If we weren't remington wouldn't be able to improve on the design and give us, and future customers a top notch product.

So sit down, and wait for your new improved R51 to come back from MOM.

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SHOOTER13 SHOOTER13's Profile	Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:45 am There were 4 posts reported so far in this thread. Let's keep this conversation civil gentlemen...or I will close the thread !! Thank you.
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MDjet1 MDjet1's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:30 am	Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:15 am With all the returns and no answer from Remington other than it will be longer for return. What do you get when you go to thier web sight and do the "REPAIR LOOKUP". Is it just blank ?
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draidt draidt's Profile .410 Posts: 95 Joined: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:32 pm	Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:33 am MDjet1 wrote:With all the returns and no answer from Remington other than it will be longer for return. What do you get when you go to thier web sight and do the "REPAIR LOOKUP". Is it just blank ? 3 weeks and I get "There are no results for the data entered"
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:15 am

I talked to one of the reps, sent pictures of the brass (raised primers), described the sloppy side play with trigger, ability to snap trigger with slide 3/16 out of battery. They sent me the call-tag. The instructions kind of suck because they say call UPS for pickup. UPS says no on firearm. The problem may be with the UPS call center but I will go to the hub about 25 miles away this week and send it on its way. Sadly I live only 90 miles from factory. Would love to go down and tour. As to shooting for me with what I would call average hands it feels excellent. Have not shot a couple of hundred rounds at a sitting but 4 or 5 mags in fairly short time felt great. Recoil is more like one of my Bersa Thunder 380's than anything else. Accuracy is awesome, just about every mag produced a group that would go into a shirt pocket. Much smaller if I took time to really aim. Last mag was Remington ammo to make sure that the primer issue was not ammo related. Five of seven were within 1 1/2" and the other two were out from that about an inch on either side. Those two were rapid, just put front sight on tgt, this was from 30'. Will be interested to see what happens in Pineville (factory).

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pinetreebbs pinetreebbs's Profile .410 Posts: 64 Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:48 am	Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:24 am MDjet1 wrote:With all the returns and no answer from Remington other than it will be longer for return. What do you get when you go to thier web sight and do the "REPAIR LOOKUP". Is it just blank ? I get: "There are no results for the data entered "
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MDjet1 MDjet1's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:30 am	Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:00 pm Just seems to make the one problem even worse. Seems Remington is acting like an ostrich, head in in sand, and maybe it will go away. If they would have a plan,and execute it. That would go along way to making people more at ease.
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SHOOTER13 SHOOTER13's Profile	Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:58 pm With all the warranty repairs ( R51 ) and recalls ( M700/M7 ) going on... I'm sure they are doing the best they can given the circumstances !!
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:18 am

SHOOTER13 wrote:With all the warranty repairs ( R51 ) and recalls ( M700/M7 ) going on...

I'm sure they are doing the best they can given the circumstances !!

I agree that they are very busy, busier than a bunch of woodpeckers with headaches. I'm just glad this is a $400 pistol rather than $800, $1200, or more. I have 2 other "carry" pistols and several other pistols and rifles for pleasure shooting and hunting. My carry pistols are (1) Remington Model 51 (yes, the predecessor of this R51), 95 years old, worn, and extremely reliable & accurate still to this day, and (2) my new Sig Sauer P938, another beautiful shooter. However, to my surprise, I've had a couple of failures with the Sig, 1 stovepipe and 2 failures to feed. It was with the Remington UMC ammunition. All my other pistols love Remington UMC.

Just like with any new product, it'll probably have a bug or two. The Pedersen action is proven as of 1917 through 1927, so the design is good. I personally condemn the quality of today's craftsmanship, human capabilities, and the lack of pride among the masses of employees who only care about their paycheck, vacation time, perks, and their time off. It really makes me happy that I am retired now and don't have to watch my employees fail to perform.

Hang in there guys... Remington WILL come through for us... eventually.

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SHOOTER13 SHOOTER13's Profile	Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:09 pm Well put Rick... I'm also enjoying the retired life...great ain't it !!!
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:59 am

SHOOTER13 wrote:Well put Rick...

I'm also enjoying the retired life...great ain't it !!!

Nothing better!!! Worked hard to retire early at 62, and the extra efforts paid off. Just added a new Colt Government Model 80 in brushed stainless, 5" .45 ACP. Looks like I'll be adding another hour to my next range trip next week. I couldn't get to the range this week like I'd planned, so no new findings on the 24XX R51.

Good for you Shooter13. I'm in Houston, where are you?

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draidt draidt's Profile .410 Posts: 95 Joined: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:32 pm	Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:01 pm FWIW I found this today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fNAusFyow
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lklawson lklawson's Profile lklawson's Website .270 WIN Posts: 107 Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:08 am	Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:58 am draidt wrote:FWIW I found this today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fNAusFyow There have been hints a couple of times now that Rem may be redesigning the firing pin. Peace favor your sword, Kirk http://cbd.atspace.com Martial Arts born in Western Civilization
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MDjet1 MDjet1's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:30 am	Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:35 pm I see Remington has a booth at the NRA convention in Indy. Maybe a Utube interview will show up with a company rep letting every people know what they are doing for the gun.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:36 am

MDjet1 wrote:I see Remington has a booth at the NRA convention in Indy. Maybe a Utube interview will show up with a

company rep letting every people know what they are doing for the gun.

From the any word on returns ? thread

Electraclyde wrote:I stopped by the Remington booth today at the NRA convention in Indy. Had an interesting conversation with a young man who is a product manager for Remington.
They are awaiting manufacture of new, slightly different breechblocks, which will also have some sort of coating on them for aiding in reduced wear and better retention of lubrication. He also said that those guns with a loose rear sight issue will have the slides replaced. He claims that the dovetails on the slides were improperly cut. He could not/would not commit to a timeline for the completion of the new parts. He also said that the warranty on the gun would start over when they were repaired.
They did have about 10 R51's on display, some with Crimson Trace Lasers on them. I racked the slide on several of the guns, and found some to be difficult, and some to be VERY easy!?!?!?
I also told him that the longer it takes, the more rounds I fire thru my XDs 9, the more I like the gun. Better get my Remington back to me soon or I may lose interest! LOL.

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:47 am

Found this on a Glock talk forum, Might explain why some guns work well while others are clunkers (like mine) I see it as a light at the end of the tunnel

UPDATE from NRA Convention Center in Indianapolis, IN.

First... the gun does feel horribly clunky when you rack the slide. I was prepared for it, but still was taken aback! It is a different type of action, and I get some of it. But the comments on here are justified! The other thread was locked, so I used this one...

I cannot confirm the veracity of this information, but I was told this by staff at the Remington booth:

They had a manufacturing issue, and the manufacturing plant has been shut down while they resolve it! The slides were out of tolerance and the culprit, causing the issues that have been cited. It sounds as if it was not properly mating with the breach block, and causing reliability issues on a significant portion of guns. I asked discretely (made sure nobody was around), and he flatly and directly stated that it was a rough launch for them, and that an item was simply bad and out of spec, he could not explain how such an oversight could have happened (perhaps they contract manufacture and rely on their supplier to QC and failed to verify? We did not discuss that...), and he said it simply should not have happened. The engineers are currently on site, and they expect to resume production in a few weeks, with the new guns hitting shelves by the end of May. I am picturing people with calipers checking everything frantically for a while!

He was pretty candid, and I am inclined to believe what he said. He didn't make excuses, talked about what he liked about the gun (especially the fast follow-ups with the low bore-axis), but was not shy about the issues with the slide, the impact to the guns launch and acceptance, and how long it took them to isolate the issue.

He restored my confidence in at least the concept of the gun. I am not jumping in now, but I am hopeful that this can be fixed and we will get the gun we hoped for.

Honestly, I was surprised at how direct he was. It was a very positive interaction. They do read forums, and are aware of the current views of the new gun. Surprisingly, very few of the people in attendance (and there were LOTS of them) seemed to have any idea or knowledge of the gun, the way it works, or the issues. I guess most gun people are not GUN people!

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:25 am

Slide out of tolerance would certainly explain the loose sights. And if the clearances with the breecblock are too loose, it could allow the breechblock to move too much while in battery which could partly explain the out of battery issues.

But if they don't address the out of spec chamber as well there will still be problems with non Remington ammo.

Shutting down the entire plant (this would be the Para operation) sounds like they found some real problems there and not just mechanical ones.

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tubehead tubehead's Profile .22LR Posts: 15 Joined: Fri May 02, 2014 9:51 am	Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:09 am Another week goes by without word from Remington cregarding repair or replacement. My serial number is 4xx7. It has been at Remington/ParaUsa for weeks.
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SHOOTER13 SHOOTER13's Profile	Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 3:37 pm Welcome to the Remington Owners Forum tubehead !! From the posts above yours...it sounds like Remington has found the problem and is working to correct it !! That...plus the recall of Model 7 & Model 700's...probably has them overwhelmed at the moment...but I'm sure Remington will take the necessary steps to make everything right again.
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tubehead tubehead's Profile .22LR Posts: 15 Joined: Fri May 02, 2014 9:51 am	Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 4:49 pm I understand . I shot close to 600 rounds with sight repeatedly glued on. I cleaned it several times. Each time aluminum filings were present. I honed and buffed the contact points. The action smoothed out a great deal. The Pedersen design's potential is just starting to be realized. I loved shooting it! Reluctantly, I sent it in for warranty work.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 4:48 pm

lklawson wrote:Don't get too worked up. Growing pains, sometimes even severe growing pains, are common in brand new, innovative, designs.

If you have an alternative carry piece then just let Rem do their thing as long as it takes. Better for them to fix it right.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? SEVERE GROWING PAINS??? BRAND NEW INNOVATIVE DESIGN??

First of all ... the R51 and the pedersen block can hardly be called new and innovative. This is an older technology design (as I understand it) which has been updated.

Personally, I am shocked that the gun tested so well (in pre-release) ... as seen in several youtube videos. Now the weapon is released and there seems to be issues with the weapon. In my mind, I can't help but feel that something changed between the pre-release version and the ones that were offered to the public. If that wasn't the case, why are there so many problems being seen now?

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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:16 am

maccountrypilot wrote:
lklawson wrote:Don't get too worked up. Growing pains, sometimes even severe growing pains, are common in brand new, innovative, designs.

If you have an alternative carry piece then just let Rem do their thing as long as it takes. Better for them to fix it right.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? SEVERE GROWING PAINS??? BRAND NEW INNOVATIVE DESIGN??

First of all ... the R51 and the pedersen block can hardly be called new and innovative. This is an older technology design (as I understand it) which has been updated.

Personally, I am shocked that the gun tested so well (in pre-release) ... as seen in several youtube videos. Now the weapon is released and there seems to be issues with the weapon. In my mind, I can't help but feel that something changed between the pre-release version and the ones that were offered to the public. If that wasn't the case, why are there so many problems being seen now?

That is fact that Pedersen design is old design, about a 97 year old design, but an incredibly fine, reliable, and comfortable 'action'. I can attest to that from shooting my 95 year old Model 51 in .380 that grandpa bought new in 1919 for $15.50. I've been shooting that piece for over 50 years now. Old design, lighter weight, newer technology in materials (?), and a "Super Rush" by the marketing department to get this R-51 out to the public resulted in short-changing the owners of these 1st Generation R51s. One thing that kills me is the aluminum frame and its involvement in so much of the Pederson design's contact areas. Makes me wonder if the frames will outlast the barrel or firing pin.
I'm more than willing to wait it out while Remington makes good on these R51s. I'd just like to hear from owners who haven't had bad luck with their's.

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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 4:33 am

Rick 51/ R51 wrote:
maccountrypilot wrote:
lklawson wrote:Don't get too worked up. Growing pains, sometimes even severe growing pains, are common in brand new, innovative, designs.

If you have an alternative carry piece then just let Rem do their thing as long as it takes. Better for them to fix it right.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? SEVERE GROWING PAINS??? BRAND NEW INNOVATIVE DESIGN??

First of all ... the R51 and the pedersen block can hardly be called new and innovative. This is an older technology design (as I understand it) which has been updated.

Personally, I am shocked that the gun tested so well (in pre-release) ... as seen in several youtube videos. Now the weapon is released and there seems to be issues with the weapon. In my mind, I can't help but feel that something changed between the pre-release version and the ones that were offered to the public. If that wasn't the case, why are there so many problems being seen now?

That is fact that Pedersen design is old design, about a 97 year old design, but an incredibly fine, reliable, and comfortable 'action'. I can attest to that from shooting my 95 year old Model 51 in .380 that grandpa bought new in 1919 for $15.50. I've been shooting that piece for over 50 years now. Old design, lighter weight, newer technology in materials (?), and a "Super Rush" by the marketing department to get this R-51 out to the public resulted in short-changing the owners of these 1st Generation R51s. One thing that kills me is the aluminum frame and its involvement in so much of the Pederson design's contact areas. Makes me wonder if the frames will outlast the barrel or firing pin.
I'm more than willing to wait it out while Remington makes good on these R51s. I'd just like to hear from owners who haven't had bad luck with their's.

A month ago I got chastised and accused of spreading "Gossip" for posting this.

You cannot tell me that this and the releasing of the not ready for prime time R51 is not related.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/0 ... n-resigns/

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MDjet1 MDjet1's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:30 am	Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:10 am My gripe about what is going on is the lack of info from Remington. I work in customer service and the thing that keeps people calm when their is a problem is info. Even if you don't know anything new, just keeping them informed is priceless. I just find it hard to believe no official word has come from Remington.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 10:04 am

MDjet1 wrote:My gripe about what is going on is the lack of info from Remington. I work in customer service and the thing that keeps people calm when their is a problem is info. Even if you don't know anything new, just keeping them informed is priceless.
I just find it hard to believe no official word has come from Remington.

That is aggravating, to put it mildly. The website seems to be stuck in January. Maybe it saw its shadow on Goundhog Day or something, but form the website one would think that the R51 is a "coming attraction." I gave them an email addy when I registered my warranty so I would expect at least an email update. At least I think I registered my warranty, since the R51 was not an option in any of the drop down lists I couldn't select it as the product I was registering so I don't know I actually registered anything.

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