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Remington 887 Pump Action Troubleshooting

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:55 pm
Any issues, concerns or problems you may have with your Remington model 887 Pump Action Shotgun; this is a thread for troubleshooting.

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I've had my 887 for a week and a day. I've taken it out four times and put about 100-200 2-3/4 birdshot shells through it each time. I have cleaned it twice, once after the first outing and again after two more outings. I have had two problems:

Problem 1: The gun jams, probably once in about 20-30 rounds. I don't know if it is user error. What happens is the round does not get seated in the carrier properly and the side of the round hits the side of the chamber as it's being loaded. I will call Remington about this. I'm thinking a solution would be to dremel down the chamber where the round is hitting.

Problem 2: The gun will also mis-fire (light-strikes). This is reproducible. When a round is loaded into the chamber, there is some play in the forend; you can jiggle it back and forth about ⅛”. When the forend is pushed forward, towards the muzzle, the gun will fire every time. But if you pull the forend towards you, the gun will mis-fire. This is because when the forend is pulled back towards the shooter, the bolt carrier pulls away from the bolt head. When this happens, the firing pin does not extrude from the bolt head as much because there is more distance for it to travel, resulting in a mis-fire.

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Forend pulled back towards shooter: results in light strikes. Notice the gap between the bolt carrier and the bolt head.
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Forend pushed forward, towards muzzle. There is no gap.
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Has anyone experienced these problems?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:16 pm
I have the same issue as you have described with the forend slop and misfiring. Has any one come up with a solution? Unfortunately I received my M887 used and can not get warranty service, as far as I know. I would be willing to spend a few dollars on a repair, if there is indeed a solution, or replacement part. Thanks
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I also have had these problems with a ducks unlimited edition 887. I sold it to a guy that keeps asking me how to fix it. Can anyone please help me with this problematic all black lemon?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:44 pm
I am not aware of a fix for this problem yet but I will keep searching and probing.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:39 pm
(Update: solved ... see page 2 and 3) :mrgreen:

Hello,

New member to the Remington M887 / 887 nitro mag family ... shotgun one day New, never fired.

Situation:

Load all the shells, went to clear the weapon. First shell ejected great then started to get double/triple feeds resulting in jamming. Sometimes it would eject a spent shell and a live round while chambering a third round, other times live shells would just fall out the bottom.



Disassembled magazine inspected .. looks good .. did this twice with same results.

Suggestions?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:15 pm
I'm stumped too, I would try to disassemble and reassemble it and see if that makes any difference

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:09 am
If anyone is having the light strike issue when pulling back on the action, this can be fixed by adding some material to the rear left guide/tab on the bolt, this is what adjusts how much slack the action has when locked in the forward position.

This guide/tab will fit against the slide release lever and adding material gives it less room to move backward.

I used chemical metal and a file to make a correct shape piece and then used some hybrid loctite to glue it on. (Not superglue, it will break from recoil, but hybrid can take it, i used it to glue on my hiviz sights too..)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:03 pm
Well I took the shotgun apart and cleaned/oiled it, then took it out into the woods to test fire.

First try - Pulled the trigger ... Boom, figured I was too slow on the Cycle ... maybe???

Second try - Loaded the shells and tried it again, Boom ... but now I am unable to move the slide to cycle the next round. Yanking it with all my might breaks it free.

Third try - Loaded the weapon, pulled the trigger Boom, cycled fast and two shells fly out. One empty and another live round. I look in through the ejection port and there is still one more live round ready to be chambered just hanging out like the third wheel on a date.

Fourth try - pick up the round off the ground clean it load the weapon again. Pull the trigger Boom, go to cycle and it is seized up again. So I yank and yank till it pops free.

Walk to the house defeated, so what do I do now? Hopefully Remington will have the answer?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:30 pm
Spoke to Remington customer service, which was outstanding. They are sending a new trigger assembly to me, the weapon should not be double/triple feeding (the timing is off in the trigger assembly).

Should not matter how slow you cycle the weapon, when you pull the pump back to eject the spent shell all your live rounds either spit out the ejection port, jam with double feed, or fall out the bottom. I don't care how fast you think you can cycle that weapon, you're not going to beat the .10 of a second it takes to spit out multiple shells under tension from the mag spring.

I'll update once I put in the new Trigger assembly ..

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:18 pm
With new gun some shells have problems, like i had with GameBore 38g birdshots, the casing was thicker than on other brands causing the shell to get stuck on the ejector claw if you didnt cycle it with a lot of force, and when that happens i had to pull the action back again to unjam it causing a double feed because the first one didnt eject (Stuck under the claw..)

That however fixed itself with some use, tight tolerances and stuff but now i have an opposite problem with what i think is the same part on the gun that is causing your double feed issue. Often it doesnt feed at all, that thingy on the ejection port side of the gun that makes sure only 1 shell comes out at a time from the mag tube gets stuck in closed position, effectively stopping any rounds coming from the magazine tube - this could be fixed by adjusting the stopper arm (See later posts..)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:50 pm
Well it seems i was on the right track, ill try to explain how i fixed it...

The rail on right side of the trigger unit that prevents more than 1 round coming from the tube at once wasnt disengaging enough to let shells pass. You had the opposite problem, it was disengaged all the time letting all the shells through causing double feeds.

I used pliers to make the profile of that small notch on the top of that rail a bit steeper to make it disengage more aggressively + moving the tip on the end that stops the shells closer to the edge so it doesnt need to be moved as much to let the shells pass.

If the gun is letting multiple shells in you would have to do the opposite if the problem is on that part. If the action levers are timed wrong from the factory then it wont help..

Anyone doing this should be really careful, i have no idea how well the metal parts handle being forcefully twisted to another position. Prefer warranty if you have one, over here warranty works for crap so fixing these or atleast trying to fix them is less of a headache.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:55 pm
Grodin,

I do not believe you were the one who explained it to me wrong, however you are spot on now. I received the following response from Remington Customer Service today:

"I have a new trigger plate assembly on the way to you. You should receive it within the next 7-10 days. Thank you again for your service, and I hope this new trigger plate assembly gets you up and running for good. If you ever need anything else, feel free to contact us, and we'll be glad to help any way we can."

Once I get the new trigger plate assembly I will take pics and compare the two side by side. I'll post any findings here.

On a side note the older 887s had a similar issue to what I have, Remington redesigned the trigger group to eliminate the problem. Here are the pictures of the old style vs new style, courtesy of a feller I met from another forum. The old deffective one is on the left in the top pic. Bottom pic the old one has the flag sticking off the right side.

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I have the new style, just happened to get one of the new ones that the timing is off (seems it is simply bending tabs like you stated). More to follow, hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:55 pm
Gunsumer reports did a great job breaking down the 887 Tactical, this thread may help troubleshoot by helping you to identify/communicate your issue.

http://www.gunsumerreports.com/review_r ... cal_p4.php

at the bottom of the page there are more threads concerning the 887 Tactical.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:52 pm
Now since thats out of the way, we can start working on the next issue, dear god remington :roll:

Can someone take a picture of the point where barrel meets the receiver, from the top, it seems like my barrel is rotated counter clockwise so much the top part of the receiver barely meets with the top part of the barrel.. i dont think this affects the accuracy because i have the normal model and sights are on the barrel but it just looks way off..
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:18 pm
Grodin,

Tried to post pics with no luck. The link below shows the pics you requested. Figure 17 and 22

http://www.gunsumerreports.com/review_r ... cal_p3.php

Squirrel

Edit: You don't have the tatical version do you? Does it matter or are they molded the same?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:18 pm
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Yeah, it looks like mine is way off.

Should be molded the same, however this shouldnt have too much effect on the normal version since there are no sights on the receiver :(
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:36 pm
Your not the only one with this issue, I've read of others. Some actually had bent barrels because their shots were way off. Others had loose barrels? I would send Remington an email with the pic you posted and at least ask the question.

Keep it positive, let them know you are a loyal Remington customer and you love the 887. "I just noticed the barrel is twisted" please advise? Takes about a week for them to respond. Include your contact information, home address (so they can ship the part out), and the 887 serial number. Who knows they may send you a new barrel or receiver.

I used the following link and sent an email to headquarters, I am very pleased with the result.

http://www.remington.com/sitecore/conte ... -info.aspx


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:23 pm
The Trigger Group from Remington arrived yesterday. When compared side by side it's clear what the issue was. Here are some pics, first the side by side. Then the new one and last is the old one with the issues mentioned above.

Seems to be an easy fix, but I am not a gunsmith. If I were to attempt to realign I'd change the angle with an adjustable wrench. Works great on bending sheet metal on my muscle cars.

Overall I am very pleased with Remingtons customer service, plus I have $100s worth of spare parts.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:40 pm
Disclaimer: I am not a gunsmith, this should be attempted by a qualified technician. Edit ... found a better place to bend it (See next post)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:22 pm
After closer inspection, I did not want to bend reinforced metal. Then the light bulb went off, remove the arm.

1 - Grab the pin springs with your fingernail and rotate them off the shaft from the round end.
2- Once both spings are removed pull the arm off and make a small adjustment.
3- Put arm on, then springs (slip straight end into groove then rotate on)

Back together in 30 seconds. Take it to a gunsmith ... $5.00 repair? Just took it out into the woods, gun feeds and cycles great! Below is the old one after the repair and a pic of the arm removed.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:10 am
Thanks for the great info and pics S Squirrel
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:54 pm
vmax wrote:Thanks for the great info and pics S Squirrel


No worries! It was very easy to fix, irony is I needed the new part to see how the timing was off on the old part. I hope this post helps at least one more person. We all know what it feels like when things don't work as they should. Not knowing why is the worst part. We all are looking for answers so I'm giving back to those who replied to my problem.

The 887 is truely a simple design, but as with all things mechanical I'm sure I'll be back here researching another issue as time goes on. Think of it as routine maintenance, eventually we'll be the 887 experts.

The important things are Remington stepped up to the plate, I have a new trigger group spare worth 100 bones, my old trigger group was super easy to fix (i.e. my 887 works great), and it's a blast to shoot. As a bonus I joined a great forum and I learned y'all somethin bout my boom stick. That's a good day right there!

I hope the next issue I have has already been solved and posted by the time I come back to research!

8-)

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Secret Squirrel wrote:Well I took the shotgun apart and cleaned/oiled it, then took it out into the woods to test fire.

First try - Pulled the trigger ... Boom, figured I was too slow on the Cycle ... maybe???

Second try - Loaded the shells and tried it again, Boom ... but now I am unable to move the slide to cycle the next round. Yanking it with all my might breaks it free.

Third try - Loaded the weapon, pulled the trigger Boom, cycled fast and two shells fly out. One empty and another live round. I look in through the ejection port and there is still one more live round ready to be chambered just hanging out like the third wheel on a date.

Fourth try - pick up the round off the ground clean it load the weapon again. Pull the trigger Boom, go to cycle and it is seized up again. So I yank and yank till it pops free.

Walk to the house defeated, so what do I do now? Hopefully Remington will have the answer?

More to follow
the problem lies with the rotating bolt that seizes in its guides, polish the bolt lugs and guides, extraction problem solved, the bore is also very tight, remove 2 thou using a flexi hone, only hone the case head area of the breech.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:58 pm
ericso82 wrote:I've had my 887 for a week and a day. I've taken it out four times and put about 100-200 2-3/4 birdshot shells through it each time. I have cleaned it twice, once after the first outing and again after two more outings. I have had two problems:

Problem 1: The gun jams, probably once in about 20-30 rounds. I don't know if it is user error. What happens is the round does not get seated in the carrier properly and the side of the round hits the side of the chamber as it's being loaded. I will call Remington about this. I'm thinking a solution would be to dremel down the chamber where the round is hitting.

Problem 2: The gun will also mis-fire (light-strikes). This is reproducible. When a round is loaded into the chamber, there is some play in the forend; you can jiggle it back and forth about ⅛”. When the forend is pushed forward, towards the muzzle, the gun will fire every time. But if you pull the forend towards you, the gun will mis-fire. This is because when the forend is pulled back towards the shooter, the bolt carrier pulls away from the bolt head. When this happens, the firing pin does not extrude from the bolt head as much because there is more distance for it to travel, resulting in a mis-fire.

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Has anyone experienced these problems?

i had exactly the same problems as your problem #1, to overcome this you have to polish the rotating bolt lugs and guides, you will notice that the tooling marks and burrs have not been removed by remington, their quality control is out the window, remove the burrs and make sure the bolt rotates freely in its guides, the bolt head must also be lubricated using omega anti seize compound, the bore on the 887 is also too tight on tolerance compared to quality european over under shotguns, i found it neccessary to remove 2 thou fron the breech internal diameter making it the same as the fn browning over under shotgun, only hone the head area of the breech, approx the first 3/4 inch or so, i overcame all the 887 problems myself, remington were less than helpful and so were their stocking agents, they did'nt have a clue, simply maintained that their product was on spec, quite clearly not so !!, well my "black lemon" works perfectly now thanks, goes boom every time and ejects its empty cases as a shotgun should, reminton need to get their act together, this is the worst quality shotgun i have ever had to work on, anyhow problem solved and off to the range for some combat shooting
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