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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:41 pm

I just shipped my 18.5" barrel to Vang Comp Systems today for the VCS treatment. Can't wait!!! This took a good chunk out of my budget but I thinks it's well worth it. Replaced the EMA for end with a Magpul last weekend. I didn't like the bulkiness of the EMA. The Magpul MOE will allow me to add rails and accessories and I already have a bunch for my AR. I want to refinish the barrel because it keep showing rust, but I want to replace the front sight and really don't want to paint it twice. Still haven't decided on Cerakote or Duracoat. Also, rather than replace the entire trigger plate with the police version I think I'll just upgrade the sear spring and lifter spring right now. I'll post some pics as soon as I figure out how to resize pics on my iPhone.

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SHOOTER13 SHOOTER13's Profile	Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:05 pm Heard nothing but good about the VC treatment... http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/ http://duracoat-firearm-finishes.com/ Sounds like a worthwhile endeavor Matt...keep us posted.
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Virginian Virginian's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 302 Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:31 am Location: Williamsburg, Va.	Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:12 pm Also, rather than replace the entire trigger plate with the police version I think I'll just upgrade the sear spring and lifter spring right now. Wise move, since those are the only differences. What could have happened... did.
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.22LR

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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:09 pm

Virginian wrote:
Also, rather than replace the entire trigger plate with the police version I think I'll just upgrade the sear spring and lifter spring right now.

Wise move, since those are the only differences.

I think the police trigger plate is metal rather than polymer. Just adds extra weight imo. Has anyone ever broken a polymer trigger plate? And for my needs which is making tons of noise out in the desert it should work just fine.

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Virginian Virginian's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 302 Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:31 am Location: Williamsburg, Va.	Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:00 pm I'd like to find a plastic one for my 1100s. If one shows up cheap it's going in my Wingmaster. No more bare aluminum showing up along the edges. Nothing at all wrong with plastic. When Beretta or Benelli use it, it's high tech, innovative polymer. When Remington uses it, the same people call it cheap plastic. Bias much? What could have happened... did.
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Mattgvegas Mattgvegas's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:49 pm Location: Fabulous Las Vegas	Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:30 pm My barrel came back today. Looking forward to some range time this weekend. Need to figure out what sights I want now so I can install them and get this gun painted. Thinking about the XS sight that glues over the front bead. Also haven't yet decided on the coating. Considering Gun Kote. Anybody have an opinion on this product?
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Mattgvegas Mattgvegas's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:49 pm Location: Fabulous Las Vegas	Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:07 am Top pic shows VCS ports and Magpul barrel clamp before I shaved the clamp to uncover the ports.
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:48 am

Looking good.

I have only used Cerekote (the bake to cure type). The prep was a long process. After sandbalasting the old finish off (mine was old and had been painted numerous times) you have to continually bake and degrease the parts until no oil is left in the pores of the metal. If you do not do this the oil will sweat out during the curing process and the coating will not stick. I never realized how much oil is absorbed into the metal, I though it only resided on the surface.

Aside from that it worked really well.

Yeah, I know it's not a Remington, but the process is the same irregardless.

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.-Ronald Reagan

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:29 am

I hate to break it to you, but oil does not permeate steel. That is a fact, not opinion. I do not know how you were degreasing, but I have never had a problem using lacquer thinner or acetone.
If oil, or any petroleum product did penetrate steel, do you really think they would store it, refine it, and sell it in steel containers?

What could have happened... did.

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:51 am

I was using lacquer thinner and acetone at points of my process. I would clean it, and bake it for 20 minutes and the oil spot would reappear. I did this repeatedly until no oil spots appeared, as the Cerekote directions instructed.

Fact or not the oil was appearing on surface of the barrel after repeated baking & degreasing sessions. It took me several days of doing this until I no longer saw any traces of oil on the barrel and was able to coat it.

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.-Ronald Reagan

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:16 pm

MikeD wrote:Looking good.

I have only used Cerekote (the bake to cure type). The prep was a long process. After sandbalasting the old finish off (mine was old and had been painted numerous times) you have to continually bake and degrease the parts until no oil is left in the pores of the metal. If you do not do this the oil will sweat out during the curing process and the coating will not stick. I never realized how much oil is absorbed into the metal, I though it only resided on the surface.

Aside from that it worked really well.

Yeah, I know it's not a Remington, but the process is the same irregardless.

Looks good just the same Mike. The only part without a factory finish is the mag tube extension. Cleaning shouldn't be too terrible of an ordeal. A guy I work with used Brownells Gun Kote on an old Mauser and it turned out fantastic. He made a curing oven which he'll let me use. I think I'm going to use the Gun Kote. If it turns out terrible at least I can say I ruined it all by myself.

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Virginian Virginian's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 302 Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:31 am Location: Williamsburg, Va.	Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:34 pm I don't know where the oil was coming from either, but it was not leaching out of the steel. I have seen synthetic wax behave like you are describing. I have coated several and used no heat. Just lots of clean rags. Still going strong years later. What could have happened... did.
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remingtontoter remingtontoter's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 260 Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:13 pm Location: Indiana	Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:52 pm Mike D, your shot gun looks great! Very nice. USMC 83' - 87' NRA Member Indiana & Utah CCW Are we there yet?
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SHOOTER13 SHOOTER13's Profile	Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:08 am Yea Mike...the process turned out nice.
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nitesite nitesite's Profile Moderator Posts: 300 Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:26 am	Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:12 am Mattgvegas wrote: Top pic shows VCS ports and Magpul barrel clamp before I shaved the clamp to uncover the ports. One mean-ass effin gun you got there. An ATI stock set on a 1955 16-ga Wingmaster would make Baby Jesus cry........... Cop Reloader and Bullet Caster US Army Veteran
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:15 am

MikeD wrote:I was using lacquer thinner and acetone at points of my process. I would clean it, and bake it for 20 minutes and the oil spot would reappear. I did this repeatedly until no oil spots appeared, as the Cerekote directions instructed.

Fact or not the oil was appearing on surface of the barrel after repeated baking & degreasing sessions. It took me several days of doing this until I no longer saw any traces of oil on the barrel and was able to coat it.

Zombie Apocalypse coming when that weird stuff starts happening.

Run. Run like hell.

An ATI stock set on a 1955 16-ga Wingmaster would make Baby Jesus cry...........

Cop
Reloader and Bullet Caster
US Army Veteran

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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:19 pm

nitesite wrote:
MikeD wrote:I was using lacquer thinner and acetone at points of my process. I would clean it, and bake it for 20 minutes and the oil spot would reappear. I did this repeatedly until no oil spots appeared, as the Cerekote directions instructed.

Fact or not the oil was appearing on surface of the barrel after repeated baking & degreasing sessions. It took me several days of doing this until I no longer saw any traces of oil on the barrel and was able to coat it.

Zombie Apocalypse coming when that weird stuff starts happening.

Run. Run like hell.

Hahahahahaha

Thanks all for the compliments. Not to derail things here as it's not directly Remington related but if anyone is interested I had a thread on a sister site documenting the restoration of the gun I posted. (http://www.mossbergowners.com/forum/ind ... -gun.3040/)

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.-Ronald Reagan

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remingtontoter remingtontoter's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 260 Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:13 pm Location: Indiana	Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:26 pm Wow, you did a great job on that shotgun! Love the stock and fore grip. USMC 83' - 87' NRA Member Indiana & Utah CCW Are we there yet?
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Mattgvegas Mattgvegas's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:49 pm Location: Fabulous Las Vegas	Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:43 am Here's a few pics of the new paracord sling i made.
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MikeD MikeD's Profile Moderator Posts: 441 Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:48 am Location: Michigan	Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:59 am Nice, I like the addition of the little skull. We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.-Ronald Reagan
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Mattgvegas Mattgvegas's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:49 pm Location: Fabulous Las Vegas	Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:03 am Thanks Mike.
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Mattgvegas Mattgvegas's Profile .22LR Posts: 19 Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:49 pm Location: Fabulous Las Vegas	Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:23 pm No new changes to the 870. It's worked flawless for the year. I might buy a 24" vent rib barrel to increase the versatility and give her a camo paint job. Have fun and be safe kids.
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