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Slide racking effort R-51

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.22LR
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:10 am
I handled the gen 2 model at Academy. I racked it quickly and very slowly. It seemed to be very smooth. I was trying to see if I could feel the transition when the breach block moved and I could not.

I then concentrated on the effort to rack the slide. Next, I racked their display Springfield XDS (I carry one). The R51 was definitely easier in comparison.

I remember a video of the gen 1 during the rollout at the SHOT Show in which a female Remington rep held the slide vertically with the muzzle pointed down and racked it using one finger on the blackstrap to show how easy it was to rack. The gen 2 seems stiffer.

Is it stiffer or does it just need to be broken in?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:10 am
Just needs to be broken in a little...

If and when I get a firearm with a stiff recoil spring(s) {slide}...I make sure the firearm is unloaded...no magazine...and work the slide {recoil spring} a few hundred times while watching a TV show...adding some gun grease or oil to the slide rails every once in awhile...

It will work better for you...give it a try.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:57 am
The Gen 2 has a stiffer recoil spring than the Gen 1. I can still feel the 'hitch' from the breech block when racking the slide but MUCH smoother this time around. Other than the plastic trigger and its side slop I have yet to find a concerning issue with the Gen 2
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:35 am
My gen2 R51 racks smoothly as long as there are 6 or less bullets in the magazine. However, it is impossible to rack if the the magazine is completely full (7). I've quit trying to do this with bullets, but will occasionally try with snap caps. The end result is the snap caps will get scarred along the top...they also will be nose-diving.

Anyone else with this issue?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:32 pm
That's interesting. No, I haven't had that issue nor have I heard of anyone who has. I would recommend calling Remington directly about your issue, its obviously not functioning properly if you cannot rack the slide with a full mag.

Keep us updated.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:45 pm
I talked with Remington for awhile...the R51 is going back for them to figure it out.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:20 pm
Ok...I've got some feedback from the gun shop that Remington has repairing the R51s. They believe it is a magazine issue (even though it is a Gen2 magazine). He said Remington is redesigning the magazine (again). However, they do not have a timetable for when the new magazines will be available...sigh...my R51 was shipped to them on September 1...coming on 7 weeks. And they are not completely sure this will fix the issue.

I really thought they would have worked out all the kinks after Gen1...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:41 pm
Bonorden wrote:Ok...I've got some feedback from the gun shop that Remington has repairing the R51s. They believe it is a magazine issue (even though it is a Gen2 magazine). He said Remington is redesigning the magazine (again). However, they do not have a timetable for when the new magazines will be available...sigh...my R51 was shipped to them on September 1...coming on 7 weeks. And they are not completely sure this will fix the issue.

I really thought they would have worked out all the kinks after Gen1...



So are they going to replace all our defective magazines? I suppose if they decide to it will take another two years before they are available.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:15 pm
I would hope that a fix is "quickly" identified and offered to anyone with the same issue. My primary issue was with racking the slide when the magazine was full. I tried a rental R51 that didn't have this problem. To help ID whether it was a magazine issue, I swapped the rental magazines with mine. The rack sliding issue still existed on my pistol (still was good on the rental pistol). So, I'm not totally convinced it is just a matter of "fixing" the magazines.

Just playing wait and see.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:54 pm
Bonorden wrote:I would hope that a fix is "quickly" identified and offered to anyone with the same issue. My primary issue was with racking the slide when the magazine was full. I tried a rental R51 that didn't have this problem. To help ID whether it was a magazine issue, I swapped the rental magazines with mine. The rack sliding issue still existed on my pistol (still was good on the rental pistol). So, I'm not totally convinced it is just a matter of "fixing" the magazines.

Just playing wait and see.



Well, Remington isn't getting mine back this time. I'm not going to wait another two years for a fix.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:18 pm
KnoxTN wrote:I handled the gen 2 model at Academy. I racked it quickly and very slowly. It seemed to be very smooth. I was trying to see if I could feel the transition when the breach block moved and I could not.

I then concentrated on the effort to rack the slide. Next, I racked their display Springfield XDS (I carry one). The R51 was definitely easier in comparison.

I remember a video of the gen 1 during the rollout at the SHOT Show in which a female Remington rep held the slide vertically with the muzzle pointed down and racked it using one finger on the blackstrap to show how easy it was to rack. The gen 2 seems stiffer.

Is it stiffer or does it just need to be broken in?



My Gen II R51 racks like it has a 20 lb action spring. There is no way this gun can be racked with
one finger. The one finger rack was obviously a fake.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:24 pm
RED HORSE wrote:
Bonorden wrote:Ok...I've got some feedback from the gun shop that Remington has repairing the R51s. They believe it is a magazine issue (even though it is a Gen2 magazine). He said Remington is redesigning the magazine (again). However, they do not have a timetable for when the new magazines will be available...sigh...my R51 was shipped to them on September 1...coming on 7 weeks. And they are not completely sure this will fix the issue.

I really thought they would have worked out all the kinks after Gen1...



So are they going to replace all our defective magazines? I suppose if they decide to it will take another two years before they are available.


Remington is not going to even believe there is a magazine problem. If the management at
Remington would read the comments here and the "R51 Blog", they might, just might learn something.
They sure as heck are not going to admit that they still have a problem. My R51 shoots great as
long as I put one cartridge in the mag and rack in into the breech. If I put 7 in the mag, and try to
rack it, all hell breaks loose. The cartridge either nose dives by racking it, or if I release the slide
it jams against the forward edge of the mag. Wake up Remington.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:26 pm
Bonorden wrote:My gen2 R51 racks smoothly as long as there are 6 or less bullets in the magazine. However, it is impossible to rack if the the magazine is completely full (7). I've quit trying to do this with bullets, but will occasionally try with snap caps. The end result is the snap caps will get scarred along the top...they also will be nose-diving.

Anyone else with this issue?


I also have a problem trying to chamber a round with 7 in the magazine. I solved the problem by
leaving the slide open, inserting a loaded magazine, and then gripping the rear of the slide,
pulling it back and releasing it. So far, I have had no more problems. Go to the range, aim gun,
gun goes boom, empty gun, put in new mag, pull slide back release, slide goes forward, gun goes bang
again.
Now I love the weapon.
Last edited by 1911 SHOOTER on Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:58 am, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:56 pm
When I rack my Gen2, I can feel the spring riding across the ridges on the outside of the barrel. From what everyone else is saying, that isn't normal. Does anyone else have this issue?

I tried the one-finger racking, and could do it, but it wasn't easy! As a comparison, I found I could rack my Walther 9mm PPQ, XDM2, and Remington Rand 1911 in the same manner.

BTW, I love the gun. Mine has run well for hundreds of rounds, without fail. Fast and on target, although like some others, point of impact is 3-4 inches low at 15 yards.

.410
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:45 am
Bonorden wrote:My gen2 R51 racks smoothly as long as there are 6 or less bullets in the magazine. However, it is impossible to rack if the the magazine is completely full (7). I've quit trying to do this with bullets, but will occasionally try with snap caps. The end result is the snap caps will get scarred along the top...they also will be nose-diving.

Anyone else with this issue?


I also have this issue. I solved it by locking the slide back, inserting the full magazine and
"slingshotting" the slide. Pull the slide back and release, let it slam forward. I have since had
no problems with feeding or ejecting ammo. I feel there is a magazine problem yet.
Remington is back to not answering emails again.

.410
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:04 am
I must agree with 1911 SHOOTER ! Had numerous issues with my second R51, even more than the first one a couple years ago. Did do some polishing on two of the mags but the single best result is by the above method ( locking the slide back, inserting the full magazine and
"slingshotting" the slide).

For the first time I was able to empty more than one magazine without issue. Used all three new mags and one old mag. In total, seven full magazines without any problem. Shouldn't be this way but it does work.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:22 pm
lincen wrote:I must agree with 1911 SHOOTER ! Had numerous issues with my second R51, even more than the first one a couple years ago. Did do some polishing on two of the mags but the single best result is by the above method ( locking the slide back, inserting the full magazine and
"slingshotting" the slide).

For the first time I was able to empty more than one magazine without issue. Used all three new mags and one old mag. In total, seven full magazines without any problem. Shouldn't be this way but it does work.


Lincen,
Glad it worked for you, made my day. Now, if Remington would start reading our posts, maybe they would learn something. They are really pushing the R51 on their website, just not listening to us again. I have three emails pending to them from a month ago to three days ago. No reply. Kinda like
what I read in 2014, they are under the impression that we know nothing.

.410
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:21 pm
Found this video on youtube, notice that the shooter does not "Rack the slide", on a full magazine,
he "slingshots" it. That is the only way I can get my Gen II to function flawlessly.
I cannot rack my slide with a full 7 in the magazine. (stops halfway)
If I slingshot the slide, I can shoot all day with any brand of type of load, JHP, ARX or FMJ.
Also, if you attempt to drop a full (7) magazine the mag button is really hard to push, it gets
easier as the mag has less cartridges in it. An empty mag will pop out in your lap.

Remington definitely has a magazine problem. I hope they will admit it.

.410
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:23 pm
1911 SHOOTER wrote:Found this video on youtube, notice that the shooter does not "Rack the slide", on a full magazine,
he "slingshots" it. That is the only way I can get my Gen II to function flawlessly.
I cannot rack my slide with a full 7 in the magazine. (stops halfway)
If I slingshot the slide, I can shoot all day with any brand of type of load, JHP, ARX or FMJ.
Also, if you attempt to drop a full (7) magazine the mag button is really hard to push, it gets
easier as the mag has less cartridges in it. An empty mag will pop out in your lap.

Remington definitely has a magazine problem. I hope they will admit it.


Dang, I forgot the URL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxyYcPOswW0

.410
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:04 am
1911 SHOOTER wrote:
lincen wrote:I must agree with 1911 SHOOTER ! Had numerous issues with my second R51, even more than the first one a couple years ago. Did do some polishing on two of the mags but the single best result is by the above method ( locking the slide back, inserting the full magazine and
"slingshotting" the slide).

For the first time I was able to empty more than one magazine without issue. Used all three new mags and one old mag. In total, seven full magazines without any problem. Shouldn't be this way but it does work.


Lincen,
Glad it worked for you, made my day. Now, if Remington would start reading our posts, maybe they would learn something. They are really pushing the R51 on their website, just not listening to us again. I have three emails pending to them from a month ago to three days ago. No reply. Kinda like
what I read in 2014, they are under the impression that we know nothing.


Update: Got a reply from Remington on the gun shooting low. They want me to send in the gun and
let them put another sight on it. No way. I will just adjust my aim point. Still no replies to other two emails.

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