Hi, been away for awhile, but I bring you some news about the NEW R-51. My brother has spent the last couple of days at the Shot Show in Los Vegas. He went to the Remington both and said "talk to me about the R-51". According to Remington, the gun is being completely redesigned! Production is being slowed because the are moving the plant. He also said that the engineers involved with designing the original gun did not want to release it, they did not believe that the gun was ready for "prime time"! The company executives said to release it any way. The engineers said the pistol had safety problems. The Big shots (Freedom Group) said "it's going to market, release the damn gun''! Well, as we see the engineers were right and Remington put a big stinker on the market! This. of course, following some other stinkers, some big some small. Anyway don't expect to see the gun before late spring or early summer. That is about all the info I have, needless to say, Remington does not like to talk much about the R-51 fiasco, so I think my brother was lucky to get this much out of them. We will just have to wait and see what they put out as a replacement.
I have no dog in this fight, as Remington bought my R-51 back months ago. Bought a very nice XDs 9mm. But it will be interesting to watch the conclusion of this shipwreck!

Good luck to those of you who are waiting for Big Green to do the right thing!

Call me a sucker but I will probably buy this new release too! My R51 had only a few minor problem that "may" have worked out eventually. Great shooting handgun with a lot of promise. Please get it right this time Remington!

Maybe second time is the charm...

It seems to me that the people actually working on the gun are doing their damnedest to put together a good product. However, management (Freedom Group) over hyped this gun and did not want to hear that it had problems, so they pulled rank and forced a bad product onto the market and suffered the consequences of their rash and incompetent act.
I liked the gun from the moment I saw it, but reality reared it's ugly head. My R51 was completely nonfunctional, could not even rack the slide , much less shoot it. They knew this when they shipped the gun that I bought. There was no spent case with the gun, as required, so they could not have even test fired this gun or they tried to fire it, saw what a broken POS it was and shipped it out anyway. Used to be a big Remington and maybe I will again if Freedom Group ever goes away!!!

http://bearingarms.com/back-remington-r ... igned-r51/

New redesigned R51 at SHOT show. That's great, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the media found out about the new R51 this week at SHOT, but the folks who sent in their R51 months ago probably haven't gotten a call/letter from Remington stating a redesigned R51 will be appearing at their door step soon. If that's the case, that's sad.

Two more articles are bout the revised R51:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015 ... roduction/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015 ... ack-fixed/

The Remington R51 is back – Big Green has 4 of them on display in their booth at SHOT. They have made some changes to address some of the gun’s issues, and those changes sound good – but of course it remains an open question whether they will solve the more fundamental problems with the gun.

Re-released Remington R51

One revision made to the fun is to modify the extractor so it retains a solid grip on the cartridge rim when the locking block tilts as it cycles – that’s definitely a good thing. The trigger has been improved; also a good thing. The locking block has been hard-coated to prevent it from binding in the action, yet another definite improvement.

My personal concern is about the choice to have a steel locking block interacting with an aluminum frame. Remington’s rep assured me that this will not cause any problems with normal use, but I’m dubious that it won’t suffer peening and battering. The solution, of course, is to get one when they start shipping and try it out. Remington understands that after the debacle of the original R51 release, having independent reviews of the improved design will be essential, and I look forward to seeing the results of some real testing.

By: Ian McCollum

I hope they work well, as for me, I'm enjoying my R1 and wondering what to do with the box and magazine from my original R51.

Hope they get it right this time...I really wanted that pistol.

It seems like some of the problems come from aluminum against steel. I wonder why they don't try this out with a steel frame instead of aluminum. Would it weigh that much more as to take it out of their target market?

Tater wrote:It seems like some of the problems come from aluminum against steel. I wonder why they don't try this out with a steel frame instead of aluminum. Would it weigh that much more as to take it out of their target market?

Well, whatever the specific gravity of aluminum versus steel would be, whatever that works out to. I don't feel it would be that much, maybe a few ounces?

If you guys read my post from a few months back, I stated that a duplication of the old original Model 51 would be the ultimate starting point to bring this baby back with. That includes an all-steel frame and slide. They can redesign the appearance around the basic 51 of yesteryear. I had posted pictures of my Model 51 and R51 together as a comparison of shape & size. The R51 has a little more bulk and girth, but not much. All Remington has to do is add the few millimeters here & there to bulk it up to handle the higher pressures of 9mm over .380, and do the same "when" they expand on the R51 "as a proven product" to .40 and .45 calibers. And still, it wouldn't be an overly heavy carry piece. I hope they're reading this. .45 ACP launched from a Pedersen action platform like the 51... How sweet that would feel. But for sure, no matter what caliber, the aluminum MUST GO AWAY for a long-life Pedersen action pistol. My old 51 is 96 years old now and still runs like new. I fired it again last week and can't even begin to count how many thousands of rounds has cycled through it and never ever a hiccup in the 60 years I've been shooting it. So worn in fact, that you can barely even see the grooves down the barrel.

I remember back to last April being castigated and accused of being a rumor monger by someone who does not post here any more when I suggested that the Marketing VP of Remington was fired rather then resigned because of the burgeoning R 51 fiasco just becoming apparent , Seems I might have been more right then wrong when I said it was rushed to market before it was ready. I opted for a full refund but will follow the R 51 when it is released and who knows I might buy one someday.

draidt wrote:I remember back to last April being castigated and accused of being a rumor monger by someone who does not post here any more when I suggested that the Marketing VP of Remington was fired rather then resigned because of the burgeoning R 51 fiasco just becoming apparent , Seems I might have been more right then wrong when I said it was rushed to market before it was ready. I opted for a full refund but will follow the R 51 when it is released and who knows I might buy one someday.

Honestly, I think they need to make the grip frame out of steel. I know that kinda defeats the purpose of a light carry gun, but with that design, I still think the aluminum grip frame will not hold up. JMHO.

For durability and a long-life expectancy, there HAS to be something in steel to accept the block at the beginning of the cycle where the block is held back from further travel. A steel pad inserted in the aluminum framework at that point of contact would do the trick and still keep it a lightweight pistol. Just a little ingenuity on the engineering side is all it would take. Certainly, someone in engineering has addressed that point of contact as a high wear issue... you would think...

Rick 51/ R51 wrote:For durability and a long-life expectancy, there HAS to be something in steel to accept the block at the beginning of the cycle where the block is held back from further travel. A steel pad inserted in the aluminum framework at that point of contact would do the trick and still keep it a lightweight pistol. Just a little ingenuity on the engineering side is all it would take. Certainly, someone in engineering has addressed that point of contact as a high wear issue... you would think...

I can't agree more.

Guys, like the Titanic, the R-51, ain't never gonna sail again!!

mardetcv66 wrote:Guys, like the Titanic, the R-51, ain't never gonna sail again!!

Polymer trigger = Top-end? Didn't they recently say the "new" R51 would be heirloom quality? Would MIM have been ultrasupernatural quality? One of the selling points originally was it was a metal pistol.

Top-end trigger my hind end. Cheap, workable plastic part with no confidence in its heirloom potential is more like it.

I've been anxiously waiting the return of the R51 for a couple of years now. Presently, not so much. Kahr K9 here I come.

Tater wrote:Polymer trigger = Top-end? Didn't they recently say the "new" R51 would be heirloom quality? Would MIM have been ultrasupernatural quality? One of the selling points originally was it was a metal pistol.

Top-end trigger my hind end. Cheap, workable plastic part with no confidence in its heirloom potential is more like it.

I've been anxiously waiting the return of the R51 for a couple of years now. Presently, not so much. Kahr K9 here I come.

Lol. But, glock? Or any other modern poly pistol...

Ashame cause I really like the looks of it.

Don't worry about the trigger. Galloway Precision will probably come out with an aluminum one soon if you don't like it. I traded out one on my S&W Bodyguard and it works great. They also have a spring change out fix for the RM380 that makes the original trigger function better. It looks like the new R51 trigger is slightly wider than the original, which will have more surface area. That should reduce pulling it to the right as you pull the trigger, producing results. I will be glad to see how well it shoots as redesigned.
Future poly trigger puller,
T3

AmericanPride wrote:

Tater wrote:Polymer trigger = Top-end? Didn't they recently say the "new" R51 would be heirloom quality? Would MIM have been ultrasupernatural quality? One of the selling points originally was it was a metal pistol.

Top-end trigger my hind end. Cheap, workable plastic part with no confidence in its heirloom potential is more like it.

I've been anxiously waiting the return of the R51 for a couple of years now. Presently, not so much. Kahr K9 here I come.

Lol. But, glock? Or any other modern poly pistol...

Is a Glock heirloom quality?

shoT3 wrote:Don't worry about the trigger. Galloway Precision will probably come out with an aluminum one soon if you don't like it. I traded out one on my S&W Bodyguard and it works great. They also have a spring change out fix for the RM380 that makes the original trigger function better. It looks like the new R51 trigger is slightly wider than the original, which will have more surface area. That should reduce pulling it to the right as you pull the trigger, producing results. I will be glad to see how well it shoots as redesigned.
Future poly trigger puller,
T3

Good point on the aftermarket trigger. I'm sure you're right. I really do want one of these.

Tater wrote:

AmericanPride wrote:

Tater wrote:Polymer trigger = Top-end? Didn't they recently say the "new" R51 would be heirloom quality? Would MIM have been ultrasupernatural quality? One of the selling points originally was it was a metal pistol.

Top-end trigger my hind end. Cheap, workable plastic part with no confidence in its heirloom potential is more like it.

I've been anxiously waiting the return of the R51 for a couple of years now. Presently, not so much. Kahr K9 here I come.

Lol. But, glock? Or any other modern poly pistol...

Is a Glock heirloom quality?

I don't know if the rules allow for me to tell how I feel about glock