Another executive action by Obama and Holder...

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015021 ... ar-15-ammo

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/ ... rposes.pdf

BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”

Now, however, BATFE says that it will henceforth grant the “sporting purposes” exception to only two categories of projectiles:

Category I: .22 Caliber Projectiles

A .22 caliber projectile that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) will be considered to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile weighs 40 grains or less AND is loaded into a rimfire cartridge.

Category II: All Other Caliber Projectiles

Except as provided in Category I (.22 caliber rimfire), projectiles that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition will be presumed to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun. ATF nevertheless retains the discretion to deny any application for a “sporting purposes” exemption if substantial evidence exists that the ammunition is not primarily intended for such purposes.


BATFE is accepting comments until March 16, 2015 on this indefensible attempt to disrupt ammunition for the most popular rifle in America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO


Well...looks like I'm in violation...big time !!

Dammit! You see what these clowns are doing? You can't find any .22 LR anywhere, so they are saying that is ok, but they are trying to deny the use of .22 caliber bullets in center fire. Am I reading this right?????

Less than two years left of these clowns! Sorry, please don't ban me for venting a bit. I hope I am reading what you posted correctly.

remingtontoter wrote:Dammit! You see what these clowns are doing? You can't find any .22 LR anywhere, so they are saying that is ok, but they are trying to deny the use of .22 caliber bullets in center fire. Am I reading this right?????

Less than two years left of these clowns! Sorry, please don't ban me for venting a bit. I hope I am reading what you posted correctly.

Vent away Remingtontoter! yeah i agree less than 2 years is still way too d$@n long for the clown crew to stay in washington!! the wrecking crew is going to run America all the way into the ditch i am afraid!! they wont be happy till they have banned every privately owned firearm and the ammo to go with it,let alone wrecking our economy! i am sick of it to! LIKE BUTTON ON YOUR POST!!!!!

I totally agree gentlemen...

ridgerunner835 wrote:

remingtontoter wrote:Dammit! You see what these clowns are doing? You can't find any .22 LR anywhere, so they are saying that is ok, but they are trying to deny the use of .22 caliber bullets in center fire. Am I reading this right?????

Less than two years left of these clowns! Sorry, please don't ban me for venting a bit. I hope I am reading what you posted correctly.

Vent away Remingtontoter! yeah i agree less than 2 years is still way too d$@n long for the clown crew to stay in washington!! the wrecking crew is going to run America all the way into the ditch i am afraid!! they wont be happy till they have banned every privately owned firearm and the ammo to go with it,let alone wrecking our economy! i am sick of it to! LIKE BUTTON ON YOUR POST!!!!!

Ridgerunner835, sounds like your in the same camp as me, but sometimes it's not even about the guns and ammo, it's about principle! All politicians, some more than others, pull crap. Usually it's to just get rich, but the scary thing about this group is that I don't feel it is not so much about getting rich out of the deal, it's about suppression. I have never seen such a "back room deal" gang like these morons. It is like their primary goal is about abolishing freedom and liberty, not about getting rich...even though I am sure they are doing that as well...think "green energy"! What a load of crap all that is. I have no problem with going green, if it works, but lets face the music here...it does not work as efficiently as what we are running with right now, so don't try to play us off as so stupid as to think their goal isn't about money here.

The same goes for this particular 5.56/.223 ammo. The green tip bullet came out with the idea in mind that we were going to face masses of Soviet troops, with soft body armor. Note the key word here, soft. That round cannot go through hard body armor, you know, like the stuff they would be wearing to come confiscate all your gun gear. It is just another attempt to "chip away" at something related to firearms.

Lets face it, ammo is the key to gun ownership. Without bullets, guns are just expensive clubs. Which brings me to another Obama EO of last year. There were a number of M1 Carbines and Garands, that were going to come back to the U.S., via the CMP. It did not take long for this administration to derail that plan. Another small step to limit free, law abiding American citizens, to own a piece of our heritage...that was paid for by our ancestor's tax dollars anyways! Despicable.

Sadly, I know of a few people, who are gun owners, that voted for this current administration...not once, but twice. If these fools don't think that the President, and all his cronies, would take their right to legally posses a firearms away, then they are not smart enough to cast a vote. This is my personal opinion here, and I am not trying to speak for this forum or any other member.

P.S. I still smell a rat, when it comes to the .22 rimfire situation. I don't believe that manufactures of this ammo, cannot keep up with demand. If, and when a true Constitution loving American becomes President again, we will see if the stock of such a simple little cartridge comes back from the shadows.

Rant off.

I didn't vote for that socialist in the White House...Twice !!

SHOOTER13 wrote:I totally agree gentlemen...

So do I.

Beyond belief.

Free letter to BATFE on possible M855 ban and a chance to win free M855 ammo...check it:

http://wewillnotbackdown.com/?utm_sourc ... BUNIQID%5D

To leave comments at the BATFE site:



VI. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION

ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments.

Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):

 ATF website: APAComments@atf.gov. Follow the instructions for submitting comments.

 Fax: (202) 648-9741.

 Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

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FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Denise Brown, Enforcement Programs and Services, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, U.S. Department of Justice, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226; telephone: (202) 648-7070.

This is the third letter I sent...and I urge all of you to join me in this fight !!

Thank you...

Letter follows:

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As a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment, I write you today to OPPOSE the proposed "armor piercing" ammunition regulation as provided in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) notice.

Specifically, I urge the BATFE to REJECT the Proposed Regulation and maintain the current exemption for M855/SS109 5.56x45mm ammunition.

The ammunition targeted by the Proposed Regulation is unquestionably one of the most popular “sporting purpose” ammunition types on the market. Moreover, the ammunition is commonly acquired, possessed, and used by millions of Americans for lawful purposes like self-defense, making the ammunition protected from an outright ban under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. (See, e.g., District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S.Ct. 2783 (2008).)

BATFE must maintain the status quo and avoid infringing on the fundamental, individual rights of law-abiding people. In the alternative, the underlying categorical ban on many common ammunition cartridges will fail the legal challenge that is sure to come.

Again, I urge the BATFE to REJECT the Proposed Regulation and maintain the current exemption for M855/SS109 5.56x45mm ammunition. Thank you.

Signed,

xxxxx xxxxx ( name )
xxxxx xxxx ( address )
xxxxxxxx xxxxx ( city state zip )

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https://www.firearmspolicy.org/act/

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How to find your State Representative(s):

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/


How to find your State Senator(s):

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_i ... rs_cfm.cfm


It literally takes less than 10 minutes to pull up their emails, paste in a letter and change info to match your state and salutation to match your legislator.

Please take the time to defend your rights under the 2nd Amendment...Thank you !!

This needs all of our attention. Yeah, I know many never use this ammo or care about it but once they check this off the list, what's next. There are a lot of beloved rifle cartridges that would qualify if they pull this one off.

I wrote my polite (as possible) commentary to the BATFE last week. I don't own an AR-15 platform rifle, but I'm with every member here. No one, especially an unelected bureaucracy, has any business infringing on anyone's right to keep and bear arms, nor selectively eliminating anyone's right to procure the ammo that supports any given firearm. This afternoon I watched a FOX News snippet wherein the House Judiciary Chairman, Rep Bob Goodlatte, has 100+ House members on board to submit a written inquiry to the BATFE requesting that good office's response as to the reasoning for this ban. Let's pray that Congress will bring some teeth to bear on this flagrant infringement.

SHOOTER13 wrote:I didn't vote for that socialist in the White House...Twice !!

Me either! Sadly, enough people did.

This from Hornady Manufacturing...

Contact ATF: Oppose 5.56 M855 Ball Ammunition Ban

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) unexpectedly announced that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as "armor piercing ammunition." The decision continues Obama's use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress. Use the sample letter below to write the ATF and voice your opposition to this ban!

ATF will accept comments on this proposal until March 16, 2015. Email or write ATF today and tell them you oppose this unnecessary, misguided and damaging ban on commonly used ammunition for America's most popular sporting rifles. Additional information can be found at https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015021 ... ammunition.

Email: APAComments@atf.gov

Fax: (202) 648-9741.

Mail: Denise Brown
Mailstop 6N-602
Office of Regulatory Affairs
Enforcement Programs and Services
BATFE
99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226

ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

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Feel free to use or edit the following sample letter below, which can be emailed or snail-mailed to the ATF:

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Your Name
Address
City, State ZIP
Your phone number (optional)
Your email address (optional)

ATTN: AP Ammo Comments

Dear Sir or Madam:

I oppose an ATF ban on 5.56 M855 ball ammunitions.

It has come to my attention that the ATF is seeking public input on a proposed ban on 5.56 M855 ball ammunitions. I am contacting you today, to tell you I solidly oppose this ban.

Law-abiding American citizens have been using 5.56 ball ammunition for sporting purposes for decades, so this legislation appears to be a case of the government arriving at a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist.

Through this proposed ban, ATF disproportionately focuses on how criminals might use sporting ammunition in a handgun. Classifying criminals as a “consumer group” in the ATF’s white paper on this topic is also disturbing, as it further implies that the industry purposely sells firearms and ammunition to this element.

I urge the ATF to permanently drop the proposed ban of 5.56 M855 ball ammunition.

Sincerely,


Your Name, Title
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We must keep up the pressure until the deadline of March 16, 2015

Thank you !!

ATF Framework for determining whether certain projectiles are primarily intended for sporting purposes... ( 17 page PDF )

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/ ... rposes.pdf

BREAKING 3/6/2015: Obama Administration Already Banned M855 Ammo, Illegally

The ATF already decided—unilaterally and in violation of federal law—to ban incredibly common M855 ball ammunition in January.

On Friday February 13 at 4:00 pm, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms released a proposal to ban commonly used M855 “green tip” AR-15 ammunition under the guise of law enforcement safety. The same day the proposal was released, on a Friday of a three day holiday weekend, ATF opened up a shortened 30-day period for the public to submit comments about the new regulation.

But it turns out, ATF has been working on a ban of AR-15 “green-tip” ammunition for quite some time and has already issued the ban in its new, 2015 Regulation Guide.

The Office of Management and Budget must review and approve ATF Regulation Guides, which again, come out approximately every 10 years. This can take months and changes to Regulation Guides are not easily or often made. Because of the lengthy amount of time it takes for OMB to approve a new ATF Regulation Guide, ATF’s comment period is just for show. ATF officials and the White House have (and never did) no interest in actually listening to or considering comments that are currently being submitted.

The exemption for the ammunition in question has already been stripped out of the regulation handbook moving forward and “green-tip” has been reclassified as “armor piercing.” The rules have been changed. Further, because of local rules and regulations in different states across the country having their own “armor piercing” standards based on ATF regulations, thousands of people in possession of AR-15 green tip ammunition have been turned into felons overnight.

When you’re done, I’d like to see if any of you can help me understand how a coldly calculated effort to go around the Legislative branch, grossly exceed their legal regulatory authority, violate the Administrative Records Act, and undermine the Second Amendment, isn’t the act of a rogue and tyrannical Executive Branch.

This criminal action is worthy of not just a congressional oversight investigation, but an independent counsel’s investigation of the ATF, Department of Justice, and the White House for possible violations of federal law.


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Article:

http://bearingarms.com/breaking-obama-a ... n=baupdate


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2005 ATF Regulation Guide ( 243 page PDF )

http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/d ... 5300-4.pdf


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House Representative Robert Goodlatte letter to BATFE Director B. Todd Jones... ( 16 page PDF )

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https://dcpr00gbauvhc.cloudfront.net/sh ... -final.pdf

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ATF Federal Firearm Regulations Reference Guide 2014... ( 237 page PDF )

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https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files ... 3-7-15.pdf

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Page 190 ( if you want to see it in Black & White )...

In addition, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 added to the definition of armor piercing ammunition the following:

"... a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile."

Exemptions: The following articles are exempted from the definition of armor piercing ammunition:

5.56 mm (.233) SS 109 and M855 Ammunition, identified by a green coating on the projectile tip.

U.S. .30-06 M2AP, identified by a black coating on the projectile tip.

They are Communists. Who else would do such things, not even considering our Constitution? Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

BREAKING: ATF Will Not Ban Popular M855 AR-15 Ammunition

In a short statement issued March 10, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives backed away from its proposed ban on the sale and manufacture of the popular M855 round used primarily in AR-15 rifles.

The ATF proposed a new method for determining which so-called "armor-piercing" ammunition that could be fired from a pistol should be restricted, and said it had received more than 80,000 comments that were "critical of the framework."

"Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study," the ATF said in a statement. "Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework."

The original proposal which was released last month prompted a strong reaction from the shooting public, with most seeing the move as a way for the Obama Administration to regulate gun ownership through executive action after being stymied by Congress. Major news networks covered the story and the National Rifle Association lobbied hard to keep the regulation at bay.

The ATF argues that since the M855 round incorporates some steel in its construction and can be fired from an AR-style pistol, it is in violation of the 1986 Law Enforcement Officer Protection Act which bans pistol rounds that can penetrate soft body armor worn by police. Gun owners argued that all rifle ammunition is technically armor-piercing due to its velocity, and that if the ATF could ban M855, it could eventually ban all rifle ammunition.

The White House sided with the ATF, saying the M855 ban was a "common sense" solution to an emerging threat to law enforcement, but there has so far been no documented case where a police officer was threatened by M855 rounds fired from an AR pistol.

And after a major backlash in Congress, including a letter to the ATF signed by more than 250 lawmakers and a bill introduced in the House to bar the ATF from any future ammo bans, the gun regulating agency relented. "ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework," the ATF said.


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I heard it on the news! Looks like you guys won't have to read, or skip over, any more of my rants. Sorry about that one a week or so ago, this Obama/ammo ban crap got me worked up.

Not a problem RT...

We must always remain vigilant of our rights...2nd Amendment and otherwise...under this administration !!

BREAKING: After Scrapping AR-15 Ammo Ban, ATF Director B. Todd Jones Resigning

“ATF employees are hard-working, dedicated individuals who serve the public to make our nation safer every day,” said Jones. “I have seen firsthand their extraordinary commitment to combatting violent crime, ridding the streets of criminals, and leveraging all available resources to keep our communities safe," Jones said in a statement. “I will truly miss leading and working side-by-side with these men and women in their pursuit of ATF’s unique law enforcement and regulatory mission."

Jones confirmed in a statement sent to ATF employees and agents that he will be returning to the private sector and said he never planned to stay longer than 18 months in the position. His last day at the Bureau will be March 31.

"On March 31, 2015, I will be leaving ATF and Federal government service and returning to the private sector. I am pleased to tell you that Deputy Director Tom Brandon will serve as Acting Director upon my departure.

When I came to ATF in August 2011 to serve as the Acting Director, I only expected to stay about 18 months; I was fortunate to stay more than three years, part of that as a Senate-confirmed Director. During that time, as a result of your efforts, ATF has continued – efficiently and effectively – to protect the public and make a difference in the communities it serves," Jones said.

In a short statement issued March 10, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives backed away from its proposed ban on the sale and manufacture of the popular M855 round used primarily in AR-15 rifles. That statement also so had theses 2 words in it "For now"