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Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:46 pm
by epk49
I had forgotten what a pain disassembly and reassembly is with the R51. Just spoiled by my German SIG P220 and Walther P5 I guess.

I always use a golf tee to push out the slide stop on the R51 once I get the slide lined up correctly.

Disassembly from that point on is pretty easy. I cleaned and lubed the pistol and then my troubles began. It took me a good half hour to get it back together. The main problem was that the spring was impeding the barrel from moving into its hole in the slide.

So, after noticing that I took the bushing, spring, and barrel out and reversed the spring. Presto. The barrel did its thing. So much for a reversible spring.

Getting the slide stop back in properly took another five minutes. I function tested the pistol; it passed.

I plan on shooting it int morning with: Winchester White Box 115, Remington FMJ 115, and, if all goes well, with some Remington Golden Saber 147 JHP.

I'll post my results after. Hoping for the best

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:09 am
by SHOOTER13
Looking forward to the range report...

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:48 pm
by RED HORSE
Reassembly remains a dark mystery to me. I've watched the Remington video many times, but reassembly just doesn't go as depicted. I've done it probably 10 times now, and each time is different result. The last time I was "jiggling" the slide as shown in the Remington video and the slide locked up tight. I fooled with it for 15 minuets and then the wife called me for dinner. After dinner I went out to the shop and picked up the pistol and viola, the slide slid back easily. I have no idea how or why. When I went in to dinner the slide wouldn't move forward or rearward at all.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:54 pm
by epk49
I'm getting better at reassembly myself. Yes, getting the barrel back in seems to be the hardest part.

I put a rag over my thumb to help push the barrel back in without hurting my thumb. Today, I greased the outside of the barrel lightly (MobilOne grease). I look at the front hole of the slide next to see where the barrel is relative to the hole.

Usually, it is high on the hole. While keeping pressure with my rag-covered thumb I use my other thumb on the bushing, pushing it forward while pushing on the barrel.

Once the barrel is in, I push it forward enough to get the Pedersen piece in. Then, I discovered tonight that the next step is to forcefully push the assembled slide onto the frame.

The last part is putting the pin back in. So far, I've been able to get that done properly.

But, I agree it's a pain to disassemble and reassemble compared to other semiautos.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:38 am
by SHOOTER13
So I've heard...

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:42 pm
by Shocker
epk49 wrote:I'm getting better at reassembly myself. Yes, getting the barrel back in seems to be the hardest part.

But, I agree it's a pain to disassemble and reassemble compared to other semiautos.


Advice to owners: have a swear jar and bandaids handy the first time the pistol is field stripped and reassembled.

I've done it 5 times now and getting it apart is now easy, reassembling still takes more time than it should. One thing I do is make sure the recoil spring is aligned the the hole in the slide, if it's off center you can't push the end of the barrel through it.

Otherwise I think it's a fine pistol. The delayed blowback action works as advertised.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:45 am
by SHOOTER13
Welcome to the Remington Owners Forum Shocker !!

Please introduce yourself to our community via the NEW MEMBER WELCOME AREA...a mandatory step to retain membership here...

Enjoy the forum.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:31 pm
by 1911 SHOOTER
epk49 wrote:I'm getting better at reassembly myself. Yes, getting the barrel back in seems to be the hardest part.

I put a rag over my thumb to help push the barrel back in without hurting my thumb. Today, I greased the outside of the barrel lightly (MobilOne grease). I look at the front hole of the slide next to see where the barrel is relative to the hole.

Usually, it is high on the hole. While keeping pressure with my rag-covered thumb I use my other thumb on the bushing, pushing it forward while pushing on the barrel.

Once the barrel is in, I push it forward enough to get the Pedersen piece in. Then, I discovered tonight that the next step is to forcefully push the assembled slide onto the frame.


I thought it was just me. I use a glove to reassemble the gun. I still have problems. usually, I have to
hold the barrel extended while I slide the frame onto the slide. Today, I slid the slide on the frame
getting ready to pull the barrel out, and the slide popped right on. I love shooting this gun,
but I as starting to feel like it will be worth it to take it to a gunsmith and pay $35.00 or $40.00
to have it cleaned. It is a finger killer for sure. Wonder what would happen if the Action Spring
was downgraded in strength?


The last part is putting the pin back in. So far, I've been able to get that done properly.

But, I agree it's a pain to disassemble and reassemble compared to other semiautos.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:32 pm
by 1911 SHOOTER
1911 SHOOTER wrote:
epk49 wrote:I'm getting better at reassembly myself. Yes, getting the barrel back in seems to be the hardest part.

I put a rag over my thumb to help push the barrel back in without hurting my thumb. Today, I greased the outside of the barrel lightly (MobilOne grease). I look at the front hole of the slide next to see where the barrel is relative to the hole.

Usually, it is high on the hole. While keeping pressure with my rag-covered thumb I use my other thumb on the bushing, pushing it forward while pushing on the barrel.

Once the barrel is in, I push it forward enough to get the Pedersen piece in. Then, I discovered tonight that the next step is to forcefully push the assembled slide onto the frame.


I thought it was just me. I use a glove to reassemble the gun. I still have problems. usually, I have to
hold the barrel extended while I slide the frame onto the slide. Today, I slid the slide on the frame
getting ready to pull the barrel out, and the slide popped right on. I love shooting this gun,
but I as starting to feel like it will be worth it to take it to a gunsmith and pay $35.00 or $40.00
to have it cleaned. It is a finger killer for sure. Wonder what would happen if the Action Spring
was downgraded in strength?


The last part is putting the pin back in. So far, I've been able to get that done properly.

But, I agree it's a pain to disassemble and reassemble compared to other semiautos.



SORRY, I GOT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR POST. I AM STILL FEELING MY WAY AROUND THIS BLOG.
IT IS A LOVE HATE THING AT THE MOMENT.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:38 am
by BlackJack
One trick I hit on is using a small clamp to hold the pistol barrel forward. I've got older hands with some arthritis creeping in that make holding that barrel in my fingers very problematic. I used one of the smallest clamps I use for woodworking, made of plastic with rubber pads so it doesn't mar anything, and that seems to help.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:25 pm
by Necron99
I found this video super useful. Got through the first time pretty easily. Sure, it's harder than many. But not THAT big of a deal.

https://youtu.be/9ko0KdSDcIA

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:22 pm
by 1911 SHOOTER
BlackJack wrote:One trick I hit on is using a small clamp to hold the pistol barrel forward. I've got older hands with some arthritis creeping in that make holding that barrel in my fingers very problematic. I used one of the smallest clamps I use for woodworking, made of plastic with rubber pads so it doesn't mar anything, and that seems to help.



Blackjack,
I put rubber coating on the jaws of my channel locks, to perform the same function. Aside from
the gun being impossible for us old farts to assemble/disassemble keep a good supply of bandaids
on hand. If any body can clean this weapon without dinging his/her hands, hats off to them.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:19 pm
by 5 iron
I found that wearing shooting gloves is a big help in the assembly and disassembly process. Using bare hands is difficult because the barrel gets slippery. Also, lots of sharp edges to contend with.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:39 pm
by johnnysR51
to dissemble I use a clamp with rubber on the ends {works great} once the once the slide release pin is out I pull the slide off with the clamp, I drop out thr firing pin and then release the clamp, I pusp the barrel in the slide about 1in then push the bushing ahead to let the in lift in the groove to about 30 degrees and then pull the barrel out, and release the bushing and spring, {do the cleaning and reassemble put the spring in and bushing in and leave the bushing at 30 degrees insert the barrel and {make sure you line the spring up to the front were the barrel gos push the barrel out of the slide about 1 1/2 and put the clamp on ,, {clean the lower gun} make sure to put the make sure u put the firing pin in , then I turn the gun up side down and insert the slide on the gun once in is in were the firing pin will not fall out turn the gun right side up (do not push the slide all way on} slide the slide to line up the the hole to insert the slide stop and make sure you put the slid clip in right (or every time in fies it keep the slide open hope this helps
johnnysr51

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:38 am
by R51Fan2017
One tip I have found that has worked wonders. I posted this tip on the R51 pistol forum and it has had mixed success. On mine though, the slide actually locks back in the take down position enabling me to pull the slide stop lever out with one hand and holding the slide with the other. However, the tension is being held when the slide locks back so it doesn't hurt your hands. Simply retract the slide slowly, until you get to the take-down position. When the slide gets to that point and it should lock back. Now the tension is being held by the slide stop lever, leaving you free to extract the lever. Hope this helps!

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:14 am
by padkychas
I will second the clamp on the barrel idea.
The small steel one from Lowe's with the rubber tip is ideal for this.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:28 pm
by GerryR
Older thread, but I make a small tool which slips over the barrel with a thumbscrew hold. You latch the slide back, slip the tool over the barrel, snug-up the brass-nosed thumbscrew, slowly release the slide to stop against the tool. It stops where you can remove the slide catch / take-down lever and the slide slips off the frame. Another small tool I call the "thumb pusher" slips over the lugs of the barrel so you can push the barrel against the recoil spring without annihilating your thumb. Let me know if you are interested in the tools. (I also have one that works with 1/2-28 RH or 13.5 x 1 mm LH threaded barrels which are available for the R51.)

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:16 am
by GerryR
I have 1 set of disassembly tooling available (4 sets sold) for purchase at $38.50 per set, shipped to the lower 48 states. PM me if interested. I accept credit cards.Image

I'll be making more this coming week and will let you know when more are available.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:28 pm
by Plain Old Dave
Something I have noticed with Pedersen designs is the more Pedersen designed guns you have (Remington 12/121, 14/141, 51/R51) the easier it is to field strip them. You get in his head, as there's a lot of similarities in his breechblock designs, for example. You have to realize John Pedersen approached gun design from a blank canvas. They don't fieldstrip like Browning guns or any Browning influenced guns, and that's intentional ..

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Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:50 pm
by GerryR
I have 5 more sets available; makes field stripping much easier. PM me if interested.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:26 am
by Oldwolf
I'd like to see pictures of your disassembly tools.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:51 pm
by GerryR
Go to my post above "Plain Old Dave" and right-click on the image icon and Click "open image in a new tab;" it should open an image of the tools. Thank you for your interest.

Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:04 pm
by Eyorspt
GerryR wrote:Go to my post above "Plain Old Dave" and right-click on the image icon and Click "open image in a new tab;" it should open an image of the tools. Thank you for your interest.

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Re: Disassembly/Reassembly R51 2nd

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:26 am
by GerryR
Try this link: http://r51pistol.com/r51-general-discus ... y-tooling/

Read the entire thread as the tool changed from the original concept. The newer tools are pictured.