Sour grapes or do a few slip by the quality control inspector. I'm sure other firearms have similar issues. I hope they work the bugs out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ65wbjq ... ata_player

I think it's probably too early to tell, to be honest.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

I saw the same video this morning. I hope they get the bugs worked out. One thing you can immediately check the rear sight issue. My local dealers don't have any yet. I still get no news, that is the common answer.

All firearms have some growing pains to go through when their first introduced.

That said I'm sure the R51 will be particularly scrutinized because of it's initial hype. Mine has about 50 rounds through it and hasn't had any major issues aside from FTE's which I can still attribute to "breaking in". Hopefully after another range trip or two it will function properly. It really is as pleasant to shoot as the hype made it out to be. Wonderful trigger as well.

Kirk, it's good to see you over this way.

papataylor wrote:Kirk, it's good to see you over this way.

I joined up when I decided to buy one.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

lklawson wrote:

papataylor wrote:Kirk, it's good to see you over this way.

I joined up when I decided to buy one.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Hey me too!

And you're already a .22lr I'm just a crummy ol copper BB

papataylor wrote:

lklawson wrote:

papataylor wrote:Kirk, it's good to see you over this way.

I joined up when I decided to buy one.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Hey me too!

And you're already a .22lr I'm just a crummy ol copper BB

Some day I hope to be special. Thirty-Eight Special!

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

I still want one, but this has me concerned.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yicodN7B ... ata_player

More & more negative stuff getting posted to YouTube. I like to see some more positive post. Then again I had to Fluff & Buff my Keltec and send it back to the factory once before I considered it to be dependable.


TD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4M_TUo ... ploademail

I am happy with mine so far, shoots fine. On the eighth mag thru it the last round did not get stripped from the mag. A friend was shooting and he may have bumped the mag release. Very pleased with control ability and accuracy. My rear sight is tight.

ToneDeath wrote:More & more negative stuff getting posted to YouTube. I like to see some more positive post. Then again I had to Fluff & Buff my Keltec and send it back to the factory once before I considered it to be dependable.


TD

I Agree .. .it would be nice to have a positive slant on the R51 ... but ... when you design a product and then build the product with as many flaws ... one is left with the impression that it was built broken in the first place. I hate to be a "nay-sayer" ... but ... Remington is getting what it deserves ... tittering and ridicule. I hope they can straighten this out. I am one of the guys who has had his R51 in to remington for over a month ... with no end in sight!

FWIW, the last news I had was that the Para-USA plant (where the R51 is made) has been shutdown while the engineers work out the production problems and redesign one or two parts. Production expected to resume in June. I would expect warranty repairs to be done about the same time so you may have to wait at least another month.

JRH6856 wrote:FWIW, the last news I had was that the Para-USA plant (where the R51 is made) has been shutdown while the engineers work out the production problems and redesign one or two parts. Production expected to resume in June. I would expect warranty repairs to be done about the same time so you may have to wait at least another month.

Thought it was just first year 'growing pains', so I was told, but to shut down the plant to work out the R51 issues? That's just not normal, never heard of a gun company doing that,if what your saying is true. I at least give them an 'A' for effort.

I'm approaching the 5,000 round mark with my 1st R51 (24XX) and it is improving with every shave of metal I make. Slow & tedious as it goes, there's a lot of dependent action going on inside there and aside from normal wear, it takes a bit to distinguish new normal from abnormal patterns. It's making 125 to 150 rounds of "range ammo" without a hiccup, but then it sneezes once more and fouls beyond the point of dependability. Getting there though and waiting to hear what actual modifications to each component that Remington makes, hoping there will be one common denominator for "the fix".

remmy wrote:Thought it was just first year 'growing pains', so I was told, but to shut down the plant to work out the R51 issues? That's just not normal, never heard of a gun company doing that,if what your saying is true. I at least give them an 'A' for effort.

Para-USA did not have a good rep for QC and reliability before they were absorbed by Freedom Group and made part of Remington, and apparently nothing changed when they were given production of the R51. They went bankrupt for for a reason. It should have been addressed sooner, but it wasn't. From the comments reportedly made by the R51 Product Manager at the NRA meetings, Remington was blind-sided by Para's shoddy workmanship. The pre-production guns that everyone was raving about at Gunsite were produced in Remington shops.

So yeah, they seem to be making an effort. and I'll give them a chance to turn this around and produce the gun they introduced. If they can't do it, I'll fix my own gun myself. At least it seems to be within spec enough thatit won't need any significant machine shop work except finish reaming the chamber.

I may need to temper the bolt. It seems to be a little to soft and gets burrs from contact with the ejector.

The trigger bow, disconnector and hammer strut are stamped parts and the edges are still rough and burred. Deburring and smoothing the edges should help a lot, especially the disconnector guide slots.

The disconnector is the key to the whole action. The grittiness in the slide action all come from the disconnector, and if it is not held to strict tolerances, especially the guide slots where it moves up and down on the hammer and sear pins, it can rise too high and instead of the slide moving against the angled surface on top of the disconnetor ears, the slide encounters the vertical front face of the ears and drives the disconnector backwargs causing it to bind on the guide pins when it moves downward. And if those guide slots are not smooth, it doesn't want to move at all.

JRH6856 wrote:

remmy wrote:Thought it was just first year 'growing pains', so I was told, but to shut down the plant to work out the R51 issues? That's just not normal, never heard of a gun company doing that,if what your saying is true. I at least give them an 'A' for effort.

Para-USA did not have a good rep for QC and reliability before they were absorbed by Freedom Group and made part of Remington, and apparently nothing changed when they were given production of the R51. They went bankrupt for for a reason. It should have been addressed sooner, but it wasn't. From the comments reportedly made by the R51 Product Manager at the NRA meetings, Remington was blind-sided by Para's shoddy workmanship. The pre-production guns that everyone was raving about at Gunsite were produced in Remington shops.

So yeah, they seem to be making an effort. and I'll give them a chance to turn this around and produce the gun they introduced. If they can't do it, I'll fix my own gun myself. At least it seems to be within spec enough thatit won't need any significant machine shop work except finish reaming the chamber.

I may need to temper the bolt. It seems to be a little to soft and gets burrs from contact with the ejector.

The trigger bow, disconnector and hammer strut are stamped parts and the edges are still rough and burred. Deburring and smoothing the edges should help a lot, especially the disconnector guide slots.

The disconnector is the key to the whole action. The grittiness in the slide action all come from the disconnector, and if it is not held to strict tolerances, especially the guide slots where it moves up and down on the hammer and sear pins, it can rise too high and instead of the slide moving against the angled surface on top of the disconnetor ears, the slide encounters the vertical front face of the ears and drives the disconnector backwargs causing it to bind on the guide pins when it moves downward. And if those guide slots are not smooth, it doesn't want to move at all.

If Para went bankrupt for a reason and it was possibly due to their QC, craftsmanship, etc you woud think that ONE person over at Remington would of knew of this or looked into the reasons why and took a different approach at launching a new model. If Remington is that sloppy at doing business I'd say "Buyer Beware". I like Remington, and if Remington makes a good quality product inside and out, then I'm the first to buy (versamax, R1, etc) But the R51 is lightyears away from being the same quality as other comparable handguns.

remmy wrote:If Para went bankrupt for a reason and it was possibly due to their QC, craftsmanship, etc you woud think that ONE person over at Remington would of knew of this or looked into the reasons why and took a different approach at launching a new model. If Remington is that sloppy at doing business I'd say "Buyer Beware". I like Remington, and if Remington makes a good quality product inside and out, then I'm the first to buy (versamax, R1, etc) But the R51 is lightyears away from being the same quality as other comparable handguns.

But you have to remember that Remington is now part of Freedom Group and may be just doing as they are told. And Freedom Group isn't the final say as Freedom Group is owned by Cerberus Financial. I don't really know how much independence either Freedom Group or Remington has in their decisions. If anyone does, I'd really like to know.

yes, that is true....interesting indeed.