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Hello,
I came across this site surfing on the www. I have an annoying problem with my Remington ie I do not manage to get below moa let alone shot in shot groupage. For those who think it's due to a lack of practice, well my friend I also own this lovely Finnish Tikka .223 rifle which is below 0.25 moa so it aint the shooter so to speak. When I dismantled the Remington I noticed a big polyester lump which touched the barrel so it was not a 'free float' as it should have been. I got wrid of that lump with some sandpaper and the results are already a bit better, groupage is much closer but still not moa. I also put the trigger to abt 4lbs which probably also improved the result a tiny little bit but still no moa.
I just wonder if any of you faced the same problems and how did you solve it ? This was not a cheap rifle I paid it Euro 2340 which is about Usd.3200. The Tikka I paid about Euro 1830 which is about Usd.2500 and I have excellent results with Swiss Munition .223 - 69 grs. For the Remington I'm using .308 150grs Sierra Match HPBT bullets with 43grs Hodgdon powder. Any good advice will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance / Best regards
Eric
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Remington Tactical Target .308
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 Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:09 am
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:51 pm
Welcome to the Remington Owners Forum Eric !!
Never had that problem with my Remington's...have you consulted a local gunsmith about your problem...? |
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:23 am
Hi Shooter, thanks for your advice. The only gunsmith I trust has a long waitlist, it is the hunting season in Belgium and he is obviously giving priority to hunters with gun problems ...
I'll have another look at the stock but consulting the gunsmith looks like the only thing left to do, so in the meantime I'll get wrid of my frustrations by shooting the Tikka  . By the way which Remington would you advise for long range sniping, in Belgium that means distances of 400 yards on a military range. Would you also consider .270 for this kind of distances ? Best regards Eric Last edited by Eric on Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:01 am
Have you checked that your scope is not the problem, slightly loose mounting or even the scope itself. Firstly check the rings are torqued to the correct spec and if that doesn't help, try a different scope.
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:12 am
Hi Fenrir, tx for your message. The scope had a little problem at the beginning but it was replaced free of charge by Minox. The present scope is put the way it should be, rings and torque are as per the specifications.
What I might do is replace the Minox by the Hawke scope I have on one of my other rifles and see if there is any change in the groupage. I doubt that this will solve the problem but on the other hand, it's worth a try ... Best regards Eric Last edited by Eric on Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:20 pm
Greetings, Eric!
You mentioned using 150 grain bullets in the gun, but you did not say which gun you are shooting. I ask this because of the rifling twisted the barrel. A 150 should stabilize in a 12 inch twist barrel better than a 10 inch twist. Yours may like a 170 or 175 grain bullet. Also, you did not say how far you were shooting these groups. The bullet may be stable at longer distances, but not quite at shorter ranges, giving false or misleading information. Continually checking the free floating status of the barrel, and the bedding of the action is also a good practice. Is you rifle a heavy barrel, or a standard weight barrel? The harmonics of the barrel will be different within each barrel profile. You may also need to adjust your powder charge and try different velocities with each bullet weight. I have had the best accuracy with velocities about 100 fps below the listed maximum. Good luck with the project, and keep us posted on the progress! I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:12 pm
Hi shooter,
tx for your continued support and the interesting feedback. The Remington Tactical Target .308 has a twist of 11 1/4. I tried several brands of ammo such as Remington, Lapua,Partizan, Geco, S&B, Federal etc... bullets going from 150grs upto 168grs none of them worked properly. Amazingly enough the best results so far was with the rather cheap S&B. So getting irritated with the results I started reloading using RCBS material to make sure the powder had exactly the same weight for every bullet. As you know factory loaded ammo sometimes has minor variations in the charges which may influence the result. I'm now experimenting with different powder loads going from 40 upto 43 grs which according to Hodgdon info is the max load for a .308. Another club member advised to use 125 grs bullet for the 100 yard indoor distances and 168gr bullet for the longer distances on the military range . So for the indoor shooting my next 'project', will be buying 125 grs bullet and load 42 grs Hodgdon powder. If that works out, the next project will be shooting in open air on the military range. Will keep you posted on the outcome Kind regards Eric |
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:24 pm
Eric, a good friend of mine had one of these rifles, and shot half moa groups using federal premium ammo, 175 grain bullets. I don't have the photos now, but as I remember, the distances were from 100 to 500m.
He really liked that rifle! I suspect, most of your issue, without seeing the rifle, may be a bedding or barrel floating issue. At least that would be my first area of concern. Keep posting the progress! I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:32 am
Hi shooter,
ok I'll buy federal premium 175grs bullets to see what happens . I think you are right though, I'm almost 100% sure the problem is with the bedding, may be I should take of some more. I can slide a piece of paper between the barrel and the bedding so it is free floating but I don't know if it's free floating enough when fired. When the barrel vibrates it may still touch the bedding or it's sides and negatively influence the trajectory of the bullet. Question is how much free float do you need between the barrel and the bedding .... Will keep you posted Best regards Eric |
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:25 am
I have all mine floated so at least 2 layers of a dollar bill will slide from the chamber to the end of the forend. My rifles have been bedded using Brownells bedding compound, with one, having aluminum pillars. The gunsmith bedded the chamber portion of the barrel, so about the first 3 inches of the barrel and the action are solid.
Sent from my LG-VS700 using Tapatalk 2 I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:43 am
just slided two layers of a euro bill without problem so it seems the free float ought to be sufficient. I'l buy the 175grs federal premium tomorrow and give it a try. If that doens't work out I'll get in touch with the gunsmith to make an appointment .
Thanks for the tips shooter |
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:32 am
Good luck to you! Keep us posted, as I always learn something new!
Perhaps you'll be able to get over here some day, as we have many places out here to shoot out beyond 400m! I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:54 pm
hahaha, I would like that. First bit of shooting, bit of talking and exchanging opinions abt rifles, couple of beers sure
. By the way US is a big country so where are u from ?Anyway, although it's a good idea it won't happen, my wife is deadscared as far as flying is concerned
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:07 pm
I am down here in the southwest, in southern Arizona. Near Tombstone, and some still wild areas of the west!
Tell your bride the trip would be well worth it..... good luck! I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:53 am
Tombstone with his legendary sheriff Wyatt Earp.
Coming to think of it, there were quite some characters in the West at the time, Doc Holiday, Billy the Kid, Calamity Jane ... to name a few. Yes it must be a nice place to live with plenty of nature and opportunities for rifle shooting Hahaha my bride, I like the word, it makes me feel younger. I'm married now for about 40years with the same woman, young man Will let you know how the rifle performs with 175grs Federal premium. Have a nice day ! |
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:01 am
Eric, I'm only 10 years off your mark! We've been married for 30! And we are still newlyweds! That's why she is my bride! Tho both of us are young next to her parents... they just passed 64 last month, and still madly in love!
Come on over some time! Sent from my LG-VS700 using Tapatalk 2 I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:52 am
Hi shooter, since you are 10 years off I decided to call you junior as from now on
no seriously it seems we are the older generation that cares about family . Sunday I'm having another try with my tactical. They didn't have the Federal premium 175grs so I bought the Federal soft point 150grs and another box 180grs. I'll let you know the results.In the meantime a joke. Two guys drunk at the bar. The first one says : oh man, you are going to have problems at home that's for sure. The second one says : no way, my wife is an angel... silence than the other one says: you're Lucky, my wife is still alive .... . Talk to you later. In the meantime, have a nice weekend.
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:07 am
Junior will be fine! Trust me, I've been called much, much worse after more than 30 years of dealing with criminals!!!
Good joke! You enjoy, and take care! Shoot well! Sent from my LG-VS700 using Tapatalk 2 I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:51 am
Hi Shooter, just returned from the range and yep, first time shot three in one with the Remington so it seems the rifle is very ammo sensitive. The best result is with the Selier& Belot but even better result is with the reloads 155grs bullet and 43rs powder. I discovered also that one of the backscrews although tight, needed a bit more tightening ie about 1/4 turn. Not sure if that was the cause but it might have added to the problem. Anyway, I ordered the Federal premium 175grs to see how they'll perform.
Another joke to keep you guys smiling. A trader buys a petrol lamp in a soukh in Oman and starts polishing it to get it nice and shiney. All a sudden there is this ghost that appears and says :make a wish, only one wish so think carefully what you want. The trader replies : well I'm doing a lot business with India it would be nice to have a big bridge between Oman and India across the Indian ocean, I would save a lot of travelling time. The ghost is silent and than says, well that is a hell of a lot of work, very difficult, very dangerous, very expensive ... cann't you wish something else ? The trader says sure, can you make me understand the way women think .... silence reigns than the ghost whispers : how many lanes do you want that bridge to have .... Have a nice evening and talk to you later Best regards Eric |
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:43 pm
Great shooting! My friend's rifle was ammo sensitive. I'm happy to hear your closing in on the goal!
Great joke as well! Kinda funny to hear it from your side of the pond though, to hear the regional differences that this world has! Thanks for the lunch laugh! Good shooting to you, keep it centered!!! Sent from my LG-VS700 using Tapatalk 2 I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:55 pm
A very merry Xmass for you and your beloved ones
Eric |
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:16 pm
And may the many blessings of this season, be upon you and your loved ones! Let's hope and pray the new year is healthy and happy for all!
Jim. Sent from my LG-VS700 using Tapatalk 2 I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees...
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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:43 pm
I made my Remington 1/4 MOA by getting a few modifications
 .22-250 1/8 twist running 75 grain AmaxSent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:05 pm
I delivered my Tac Target to the gun shop. Still having problems to get it sub moa. Between two shots there can be a variation of about 10 (ten) inches. I explained the problems and I've been told it might be a problem with the chamber. I don't have the expertise to know whether or not this is correct but in any case the Remington importer is going to have a look. I've been told if indeed it's a problem with either the chamber or the barrel, Remington would replace it free of charge. Quite curious to see if this is indeed so. As I enjoy the .308 caliber I got a cz750 in the meantime, present from the wife
Will keep you posted on the Remington issue. Kind regards |
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Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:36 am
to make you married guys laugh ..... a high speed chase on the highway. Policemen are having difficulties to stop the Porsche but finally they manage. The officer gets out, bit shaky on his legs and yells at the driver : why the f..k were you driving so fast !! The driver says, sorry officer it was a misunderstanding... what do you mean says the cop ? The driver replies : well my wife left me for a cop and when I saw you approaching I thought oh my God he is already bringing her back ....
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