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Remington VESA MAX Autoloader Troubleshooting

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:26 pm
Welcome to ROC!!
Help me out by answering a few questions.
Are you a right handed shooter?
What color is your magazine tube, shiny or black?
Have you adjusted it using the drop and cast plates yet?
Have you shot it to determine if its point of impact differs dramatically from your point of aim?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:17 am
Hello Tujays Im a rh shooter,shiney mag.No i have not adj w drop and cast plates.Yes have put about 1000 rds through it. POI is down and to the left.Thanks so much for helping me...gotta show these B gun owners that big green is back in the game.lol
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canuckhd wrote:Hello Tujays Im a rh shooter,shiney mag.No i have not adj w drop and cast plates.Yes have put about 1000 rds through it. POI is down and to the left.Thanks so much for helping me...gotta show these B gun owners that big green is back in the game.lol


get your manual out and turn to page 16. Adjust your stock per the instructions using plate "A" and hole "BL" if it is not there already.
Shoot it some more!
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canuckhd wrote:Hello Tujays Im a rh shooter,shiney mag.No i have not adj w drop and cast plates.Yes have put about 1000 rds through it. POI is down and to the left.Thanks so much for helping me...gotta show these B gun owners that big green is back in the game.lol

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:59 pm
(PROBLEM #1) When the barrel is installed, the back part of the fore-end moves up and down even with the magazine cap fully tightened down.
(PROBLEM #2) The bolt handle literally fell off into my hand when I was hunting. This piece was fully inserted when I started the hunt.
(PROBLEM #3) The extractor sheared off and was completely flush with the bolt head. I only shot 1 single box of Remington Hyper Sonic 12Ga 3” #2 shot rounds through this brand new shotgun.
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How much do you want for it?
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This topic is for questions, answers, helpful tips, and techniques to assist Versa Max owners with any issues they may have.
It is not a place for a review.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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caldonba wrote:(PROBLEM #1) When the barrel is installed, the back part of the fore-end moves up and down even with the magazine cap fully tightened down.
(PROBLEM #2) The bolt handle literally fell off into my hand when I was hunting. This piece was fully inserted when I started the hunt.
(PROBLEM #3) The extractor sheared off and was completely flush with the bolt head. I only shot 1 single box of Remington Hyper Sonic 12Ga 3” #2 shot rounds through this brand new shotgun.


Problem #1 can be cured by two replacement parts from Remington for free. Call and ask and they will ship the parts, usually arrive in a few days.

Problem #2, yours is the forth one in three years I have heard about this issue. Mine was one of them, and it always flew out when shooting really high velocity 3.5" shells. I found mine three times in a muddy rice field using a roofing nail magnet.
I called Remington and they sent me a new design handle and so far it has stayed put. They also recommended giving it a little tap once installed with a rubber hammer, as it is really hard to seat that last few thousandths.

Problem #3 is a failure that I have not heard of before. Did your gun have a notch or bevel for the firing pin retaining pin "O" ring to fit in?Did it have a shiny stainless steel magazine tube or a black one?

Since you have sent it in all of these issues should be fixed, but I feel bad for you being without a gun. Please let us know the M codes and descriptions they list on the repair sheet.
Meanwhile I will contact a friend with Remington and see if we can speed things up.
Remington's customer service is the best and they will make the gun right....but it is understandable that you are upset over lost time and lost hunting opportunities.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:02 am
Thanks TuJays for the info. I have heard the same on the first problem, but that is new information to me about the second problem. I will keep that in mind to give the bolt handle a little tap with my rubber hammer. For the third problem, I could not tell you if it had a notch or a bevel until I get the gun back. It did have the stainless steel magazine tube.
I will let you know the M codes and info when I get the gun back. Thank-you for contacting your friend at Remington.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:32 pm
I have a new VM Sportsman, that I have put about 100 rounds thru with no malfunctions. The only problem the gun has is that the shell lifter extends too low when ready to fire. It hangs too far out the bottom of the receicer. Hope there is a quick fix. The gun functions flawlessly and I do not want to waste a trip to the repair site. It has a 28 inch barrel, and my plan is to have it cut 22 inches and rethreaded for chokes. The Sportsman barrel looks like the muzzle end of an 870; so I assume it can be cut and rethreaded.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:36 pm
Hi, new to forum.

Black synthetic with grey grips. 26". Has all old style parts on magazine assembly.

I bought a VM that was brand new in box apparently.
Missing was the mag spring retainer.
So called rem and they shipped me new style mag retainer and cap.
Went to install the retainer and realized the detents that hold the retainer look to be pressed from the outside but are perfectly flush with the inner tube.

He said it was never shot and was brand new. But I think it was either not clamped right at factory or someone used a mandrel and pressed the detents back out and filed the outer tube back to round (this is what it looks like). I assume to put one of those mag extenders on for more shells.

He called rem and they are shipping him a new mag tube but 6-8 week delivery to Canada.

How is the mag tube installed and can I do the work myself or a local smith or does it have to be shipped to Remington.

I'm thinking of just having him refund me and ship it back.

Not to bash Remington but I love my SX3 and have never seen or heard of them falling apart or having recalls or such bad quality control.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:41 am
Last year a gunsmith friend of mine was brought 3 SX3's that were heavily used by a waterfowl giude service. I will say keep it clean and often. The powder fouling was so bad on the mag tubes that the barrels would not come off. I have shot the SX3 and liked it but it feels small and cheap in comparison to the VersaMax. Also after some side by side speed runs the SX3 is not faster than the VersaMax. I would own a SX3 but would never trade my VMAX for one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:14 pm
Maybe someone can help. I bought a VM new in box in 8/2012. I ran over 1000 rounds through it shooting trap. I have never had an operating failure, ie misfire,jam, nothing it works great. My problem is no matter what adjustments I make to the gun I CANNOT get it to shoot where I am looking, it shoots low to the left. I have tried every adjustment on the stock, I even got the tallest cheekpiece and tried it. I have sat down and shot off sandbags at a bench at 16 yards and it shoots low to the left. I can hit clays with it but I have to actually aim way over them. I have missed so many ruffed grouse this season I am ashamed to say. PLEASE help. :cry:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:31 am
There are many factors that effect point of impact. Do a search for POI on google. It can be the gun or the shooter or any combo of both. It is hard to answer this question in a fourm sorry.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:36 am
cah8861, either your magazine tube is bent/not assembled square with the receiver, your barrel is bent, or both. These things would both have come from the factory that way.
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I have browsed this topic a little bit and saw someone else had posted about the ejection port getting chipped/dinged up. This is happening with mine. Is this common or is it only happening on some guns? I don't like that it is happening and feel that it is a potential rust point for the gun. Only have 50 shells more or less run through the gun... I have taken it back to the store I bought it from and they have sent it in twice to Remington. Remington has sent it back without being fixed stating "it is normal wear and tear" I have to say I am not too pleased about it and wondering if anyone else has had this problem and what did they do about it?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:54 pm
It has an aluminum receiver it can't rust.

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True, it won't rust but aluminum still can corrode.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:25 am
I have a new Versa Max Tactical (about 100 rounds total thru the gun). It has the lifter welded, and a +1 end cap. I used a file to slightly enlarge the cuts in the feed latch as recommended in other posts.

I shot a 3 gun match Sunday and ran into a problem . We started with the gun loaded "cruiser ready" - mag tube loaded, chamber empty, bolt closed. When I hit the cartridge release the shells would not feed from the magazine. After fussing with it a bit, the shell finally fed and I was able to chamber the round.

Today I got a chance to try to see what was happening. I loaded the magazine with 9 rounds (2 1/2" shells). When I hit the cartridge release the shell did not feed. The cartridge release is moving clear of the feed latch but the feed latch does not move. If I hit the gun a few times the feed latch will finally allow the shell to feed.

This happens when the magazine is loaded with 9 or 8 rounds. Less than that seems to work fine. It seems like the magazine spring is putting to much pressure on the shells to allow the feed latch to move.

Any ideas /suggestions?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:26 am
Mitommy, Welcome fom MI!!

Does this occur with a specific brand of shells or anthing you shoot? Shell length will vary from brand to brand and even different loads within the same brand. I've frequently heard of shells being long enough that people end up one short in the magazine tube because the combined length of the shells did not leave room for the last one. I would check this first, perhaps the brand you are using is slightly longer then others.

You can also try shortening the magazine sping slightly if you think it is putting too much pressure on the rounds when it is fully loaded. Only remove small amounts at a time (1/2" or so) and make sure you do not loose enough pressure that I will not feed when you only have one or two in the tube.

I'm not familiar with the VersaMax specifically so I do not know if this is something that is a common problem with them.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:05 pm
Mike,D thanks for the idea.
It happens with different brands of shells. With the +1 end cap the spring tension should be less than standard. I haven't had a chance to take it apart yet.

I'm inclined to think the shell catch is flexing to much or there is a sharp edge that is digging into the case. On Brian Enos forum there was a comment from Triangle Shooting that they have seen a couple of Versa Max Tactical come in that needed to have the mag spring replaced.

I'll dig into it deeper this weekend. In the meantime if anyone has any other ideas, pleases post here.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:39 pm
UPDATE:

It was suggested that Remington has installed a spring that is to strong. (The person that posted that had seen a few like that) The fix was to try a Nordic spring. Since the springs are pretty inexpensive I ordered one and it arrived today. When I compared the OEM to the Nordic, the OEM definitely is thicker wire.

I measured and cut 16" longer than the tube with the +1 end cap. (The OEM spring was only 10" longer). I loaded 9 dummy rounds and when I hit the cartridge release the shell fed to the carrier, just like it's supposed to. I tried it several more times and everything functioned perfectly. I'm off to the range on Wednesday to give it a workout with real ammo.

Another plus is with the Nordic spring is noticeably easier to load.
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Glad you got it worked out. Hopefully the Nordic spring will fix it, they make excellent parts.

It frustrates me though that companies like Remington can't seem to get this right and are forced to send owners elsewhere to fix what should be a simple thing to fix.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:22 am
Was at the range shooting a few rounds of Skeet and noticed butt stock was getting loose. So put the Versa Max up. Got home took everything apart and found the Action spring tube was loose from the receiver. I tighten up and put it in the safe. Now I'm thinking maybe I should put some Loctite on it? What you guys think or maybe just really crank down on it? Thank you, Chief.
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