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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:44 am

pinetreebbs wrote:
remmy wrote:

About the same here. I have an 1100 almost that old, it looks almost new but has fired thousands of trap loads. I cannot think of any other shotgun I would want to shoot. Even the o-ring is original, I use Armorall on it when cleaning. I hope Remington makes the R51 Gen2 and the new RM380 as good as the 1100.

My dad passed down his "SPORTSMAN" to me before he died. It is often mistaken for a Model 11 (1905-1947) but is identical in appearance. Build dates were 1930-1947, discontinued in '47. Basically, it's a Model 11 with improvement by C.C. Loomis and a few Remington designers. (Not the Sportsman-48 or Sportsman-58). The Browning A-5 action with recoiling barrel sure make it a dream to shoot. However, in its "pristine" condition, I don't take it out much at all, but I'll put up against any other shotgun in a heartbeat. I can't expect the R51 to be of the same quality, fit, finish, and reliability, but it should perform like everyone else's 'new' guns. Geez... wears me out just reflecting on last year with my two 1st Gen R51s.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:59 am

Just a rant to be honest but I hope you bear with me.

What would have been wrong with a Model 51 remake R51 in .380? Proven design with a proven cartridge that is proven to work in it. An all metal 380? Heck yeah!

Actually, before World War I, Remington developed a version in 45 ACP that was considered by some to be more reliable than the 1911!

I wish I could find an old Model 51 although the odds are that will never happen.

~John

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:04 pm

I still have mine, works great which is now a safe queen. Opted my EDC for the H-K P-30 SKS , shoots like it had a laser installed. Not one hiccup, plus it can use mags from its big brother. !0rounds to 16. No sharp edges on the mags. Awesome engineering.
I'm not trying to belittle Remmy , just reminding them if a product is marketed it should be tested, the Germans don't skimp on QC, No one is perfect but with such a huge release as the R-51 and so many still waiting, I suggest some one at Remmy clear the room of the Brain Fart and get it done.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:56 pm

Tater wrote:What would have been wrong with a Model 51 remake R51 in .380? Proven design with a proven cartridge that is proven to work in it. An all metal 380? Heck yeah!

Actually, before World War I, Remington developed a version in 45 ACP that was considered by some to be more reliable than the 1911!

I wish I could find an old Model 51 although the odds are that will never happen.

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Absolutely!!! Model 51 (9mm Short) to R51 (9mm PARA), as would be Model 53 of 1917 (.45 ACP) to R53 (.45 ACP). Come'on Remington... listen to us out here who would love to throw some money at you for building something we want and building it the way we say it would be best built... ALL STEEL!!!

"WAKE UP REMINGTON"... I HAVE YOUR MONEY RIGHT HERE IN MY POCKET!!!

"We used to believe in you Remington, but now you're making it hard to stay loyal to the once great American gun manufacturer!"

Yes Tater, I believe you're referring to the Model 53. It is the big brother of the Model 51. Everything in principal is the same as the 51 with a difference in the grip slopes, which are more natural for the 'human grip'.

As far as finding an old Model 51 to own and shoot 'forever', there are quite a few out there in .380 to be had, and at fairly reasonable prices at that. The .32s can be a bit more money. However, most of the ones out there are looking pretty rough but, they do better on the inside (the important parts) than what you'd expect from their appearance. Buy one, a cheap one, then clean it up and take it out to the range. Fire it and get a feel for what's in your hand, then go for a cleaner looking one. That way, if you really like the old 51, which you will, you'll have 2 of them to shoot, or one shooter and one for spare parts.

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Rick 51/ R51 Rick 51/ R51's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 268 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:42 pm Location: Houston & Las Vegas	Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:25 pm By the way... Don't look for any Model 53 pistols as they never went into production. I believe that out of only a couple of prototypes built, there's only one known to exist today. The Model 53 is the one I call "The best pistol that never was."
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:17 pm

Tater wrote:Just a rant to be honest but I hope you bear with me.

What would have been wrong with a Model 51 remake R51 in .380? Proven design with a proven cartridge that is proven to work in it. An all metal 380? Heck yeah!

Actually, before World War I, Remington developed a version in 45 ACP that was considered by some to be more reliable than the 1911!

I wish I could find an old Model 51 although the odds are that will never happen.

You can, I have seen a few this past weeks on gun auction websites. Around $500-700 is ballpark pricing but it depends whos watching and what one is willing to spend. They always seem to go alittle high for what i'm willing to spend.

"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:46 pm

Remmy's right. Just "Google" Remington Model 51 .380 and look around. Type it in without the (.380) and there will be more results. Lots of confused listings though getting scrambled with the R51 that even a Boolean search won't filter out, so just make sure it's the original "51". Note though: The old Model 51 will be more scarce as time rolls on as more people are being educated about it because of the R51's re-birth from the 51. They read, they like what they read, and buy them up. So... Get yours today!!! Just my advice before they get more scarce. There are a couple of really nice ones out there for around $900 or 950.

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remmy remmy's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 177 Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:54 pm	Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:14 pm Yes, I should mention $500-$700 has been average condition. Sadly I found a model 51 once on gunbroker by typing in 'R51' in the search bar. There seems to be confusion even in the shooting world. "...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:58 pm

Yep! It really irks me when they refer to my Model 51 .380 as an R51. It's really a big insult. The problem with so many people is that they pay little or no attention to detail. In conjunction with that, some have poor communication skills which leads to inaccuracies and misinformation. I had an ATC once who lacked in clear speech and almost caused me to crash. With misinformation about the gun, it's no major deal, just an "Aw-Sh*t!" But in the air, your tower had best speak clearly & correctly or people may die.

That also happens with so many condition ratings for used firearms, especially the rarer ones. I've seen a few Model 51s that were advertised as very good and when I had them in my hands, they turned out to be fair or worse. Patina is most common along with worn blue, but these were severely pitted and beyond restoration. One of those two looked ok on the inside and had a reasonably clean bore with visible lands. With the newest Model 51 being 88 years old, a pristine one is an extremely rare find, if not impossible. Mine is 96 years old and has been in the family since new. Grandpa paid $15.75 for it new from the Western Auto store here in downtown Houston. It is in very good condition only yielding to worn blue on the edges and worn grips. The barrel is just 'good' due to not-so-crisp lands in the rifling. That one would go for $750 - $800 today if it was for sale.

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remmy remmy's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 177 Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:54 pm	Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:55 pm Rick, I would have to say that falls under the price category of "priceless". Great Story but everyone knows a great story needs photos You might have posted your 51 on here before but I don't recall. So please, make me jealous...... "...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason
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Rick 51/ R51 Rick 51/ R51's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 268 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:42 pm Location: Houston & Las Vegas	Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:23 am http://s36.photobucket.com/user/tomcat19752/library/Remington%20Model%2051 Well heck, I can't seem to get the pics to post, even using photobucket. I'm still not tech-savvy when it comes to copy&pasting and all that other stuff. I've done it before, so, I don't know why it won't work this time.
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mardetcv66 mardetcv66's Profile .410 Posts: 41 Joined: Sat May 24, 2014 11:12 am	Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:38 am There is no R51, there never was an R51, it's all a bad dream that never happened! There were never any recalls on practically every product Remington makes!We will all make up and will be 1985 again, all will be right in the world of Remington!
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:33 am

I don't know about all this. It's been a good long time and yet no one has seen a new production R51. No one.

The concept and design of this pistol seems to me to be a great one; I'd love to have one, even an exact duplicate of the Model 51 in .380.

I believe their material choices for this pistol are questionable, their metallurgy is questionable, and their machining ability is highly questionable. :shock:

I've been waiting, what, 2 years for one of these gems. I'm done.

Maybe a Walther PPK/S.

~John

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Rick 51/ R51 Rick 51/ R51's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 268 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:42 pm Location: Houston & Las Vegas	Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:25 pm Now THAT makes more sense. An exact duplicate of the original 9-groove Model 51 would have been the best place for Remington to start the 'revival' of '51'. Call her a Model 51-B for .380; 51-C for 9mm; 51-D for .40; then finally, 51-E for .45 ACP. No matter, ALL STEEL!!!
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draidt draidt's Profile .410 Posts: 95 Joined: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:32 pm	Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:50 pm So I get this E-Mail tonight from Remington ? I am not sure if this is spam or real , Anyone else get this ? http://remingtonhandguns.com/
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AmericanPride AmericanPride's Profile .410 Posts: 53 Joined: Tue May 19, 2015 5:07 pm	Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:30 pm draidt wrote:So I get this E-Mail tonight from Remington ? I am not sure if this is spam or real , Anyone else get this ? http://remingtonhandguns.com/ Just a link to their website? They've had the R51 back on their site for awhile now
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AmericanPride AmericanPride's Profile .410 Posts: 53 Joined: Tue May 19, 2015 5:07 pm	Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:10 pm Anybody see this on FB today? They hinting a release date?
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:31 pm

That picture of the Remington grip doesn't belong to the R51 which has 2 screws per grip. The screws are above and below the "R" logo on the R51. The one in the above picture has a screw located behind the "R". I'm certain that is a picture of the RM380 whose T-shaped grips are retained by a screw at the top front about mid-slide in the frame, and the other screw slightly below center between the "R" logo and the frame's rear strap.

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:00 am

Rick 51/ R51 wrote:That picture of the Remington grip doesn't belong to the R51 which has 2 screws per grip. The screws are above and below the "R" logo on the R51. The one in the above picture has a screw located behind the "R". I'm certain that is a picture of the RM380 whose T-shaped grips are retained by a screw at the top front about mid-slide in the frame, and the other screw slightly below center between the "R" logo and the frame's rear strap.

I realized it was the RM380 once my excitement subsided

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remmy remmy's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 177 Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:54 pm	Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:33 am I have received a few emails from Remington on their RM380 the last month or so about its release blah blah blah. Nothing in regards to the R51. If I was still waiting on my gun my blood would be boiling. "...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:19 pm

My 'boiling blood' was eliminated when I opted to swap for the 1911-R1. As it turned out, the R1 is more accurate than my stainless Colt 1911 Government Series 80, both having the 5" barrels. Go figure that the Remington shoots better than one of the "pioneers" of the 1911. Just that took the sting out of Remington's huge R-51 f*** up. Like I've said a couple of times now, I'll buy another R-51 WHEN it proves itself to future shooters.

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remmy remmy's Profile .270 WIN Posts: 177 Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:54 pm	Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:47 pm .... IF it ever comes back out to the public. lol "...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason
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Trackercasey Trackercasey's Profile .22LR Posts: 21 Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:27 pm	Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:18 pm Today's email "Thank you for contacting Remington! The R51 has been approved by public affairs. However, we do not have a time frame for the reintroduction. We apologize for any inconvenience. Kind Regards, Consumer Services Thank you and best regards, Remington Customer Services" Now can someone smarter than me explain what "Approved by public affairs" means?
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SHOOTER13 SHOOTER13's Profile	Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:34 pm Not a clue...
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:10 pm

Trackercasey wrote:Today's email

"Thank you for contacting Remington! The R51 has been approved by public affairs. However, we do not have a time frame for the reintroduction. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Kind Regards,

Consumer Services
Thank you and best regards,
Remington Customer Services"

Now can someone smarter than me explain what "Approved by public affairs" means?

Lawyers

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